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Re: CBP says it can't comply with refund order

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Post by otterley »

adampunk wrote: post #30
otterley wrote: post #23

Thankfully we have the actual court filing to refer to get the full picture, in which CBP says they are working on a way to process refunds more efficiently than they are able to today, and they aim to do so within 45 days: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cit.193... See paragraphs 27-29. Even the full text of the article says this.

I don’t think the reporter is being lazy. I think you’re trying to muddy the situation. Who benefits from pushing your view here? Who’s better off now that we’re all quieted down about this little bout of lawlessness? Why don’t you just write “We didn’t see all the video and we need more context.”?

I’m not trying to muddy any situation. I don’t have to: Reality has a lot of nuance.

Besides, it is possible to both agree that these tariffs should never have been implemented in the first place and have some sympathy for the agency that has literally never had to do something like this at this scale before and is now under duress to come up with a working, legal, and fair mechanism for implementing one at breakneck speed.

Re: CBP says it can't comply with refund order

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Post by krunck »

quantified wrote: post #5

This is going to be such a continued mess. Refund it to the companies that paid the tariffs, it's quite the windfall. Consumer refunds ain't gonna happen. Economically, under usual times, the best thing to do with it would be to pay off some national debt with it, the deficit is out of control. But with $38T of debt, nothing really makes a dent.

Agreed. I'm hesitant to give money back to companies that have already passed the cost of tariffs on to the the consumer. But I'm 100% against the government keeping money it took illegally. And the court can only require that the money be refunded to those that paid the tariffs. Therefore I am ok with that.

Re: CBP says it can't comply with refund order

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Post by prasadjoglekar »

adampunk wrote: post #30
otterley wrote: post #23

Thankfully we have the actual court filing to refer to get the full picture, in which CBP says they are working on a way to process refunds more efficiently than they are able to today, and they aim to do so within 45 days: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cit.193... See paragraphs 27-29. Even the full text of the article says this.

I don’t think the reporter is being lazy. I think you’re trying to muddy the situation. Who benefits from pushing your view here? Who’s better off now that we’re all quieted down about this little bout of lawlessness? Why don’t you just write “We didn’t see all the video and we need more context.”?

The headline is absolutely declarative. CBP can't comply. Period.

That's not what CBP said, and the article itself has the nuance that the headline doesn't

Re: CBP says it can't comply with refund order

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Post by dboreham »

remarkEon wrote: post #22

Corporate welfare at its finest. We spent this whole time up until now exclaiming that it was actually the consumer who pays the tariffs, and now it’s the corporation that gets a “refund”. That’s my money, assholes, give it back to me .

It'll be repaid to whoever paid it in the first place (typically an importer, not you unless you're an importer). So any beef to do with not getting a refund should be directed at the domestic supply chain. I note that Costco has stated they will pass on the refund to their customers.

Re: CBP says it can't comply with refund order

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Post by mystraline »

remarkEon wrote: post #22

Corporate welfare at its finest. We spent this whole time up until now exclaiming that it was actually the consumer who pays the tariffs, and now it’s the corporation that gets a “refund”. That’s my money, assholes, give it back to me .

Thats also why there was such harsh and immediate pushback on listing tariff costs with items purchased.

Everybody but the proletariat class was in on this scam. It's a way to further take money from The People, and give it to companies.

Re: CBP says it can't comply with refund order

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Post by pavel_lishin »

otterley wrote: post #31
adampunk wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the reporter is being lazy. I think you’re trying to muddy the situation. Who benefits from pushing your view here? Who’s better off now that we’re all quieted down about this little bout of lawlessness? Why don’t you just write “We didn’t see all the video and we need more context.”?

I’m not trying to muddy any situation. I don’t have to: Reality has a lot of nuance. Besides, it is possible to both agree that these tariffs should never have been implemented in the first place and have some sympathy for the agency that has literally never had to do something like this at this scale before and is now under duress to come up with a working, legal, and fair mechanism for implementing one at breakneck…

I think you'll have to dig very deep to strike any sympathy for the CBP.

Re: CBP says it can't comply with refund order

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Post by CamperBob2 »

nine_zeros wrote: post #13
tedd4u wrote: post #8

CIT Judge Eaton: “Customs knows how to do this,” Eaton said during a court hearing on Wednesday. “They do it every day. They liquidate entries and make refunds.”

"Lies" is a standard operating procedure under this administration. The court should just call the bluff by passing an order "Every CBP official and their hierarchy up to the President will be fined $1 million/day until the tariffs have been refunded."

But the important thing is that Trump has restored gender integrity in girls' high school sports, he has bombed 7 countries instead of 5 like Biden did, and he has been deporting... uh, well, about the same number of undocumented people as Biden.

I guess that's three important things, not just one, but you get the idea.

Re: CBP says it can't comply with refund order

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Post by cheema33 »

gzread wrote: post #26
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SCOTUS has already given the President complete immunity for anything done as part of an "official act", so that's not going to fly (even if it should).

That's only for crimes, isn't it? Ans it doesn't apply to anyone who isn't the president.

> And it doesn't apply to anyone who isn't the president.

They have a cool loophole for it. President can pardon those who commit crimes he asks them to commit. See what he did for thousands of insurrectionists and a lot of his friends who bribed him.

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