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Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Tariffs (or something like land value tax) are one of the less intrusive forms of taxes since imported goods are already scrutinized and tabulated at the border anyway under the border 4A exception. In theory tariffs are a lot less dystopic in their financial surveillance than stuff like income tax, but you were supposed to drop the income tax when you pick up tariffs, not just use it to make the Swamp larger.

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...?

No, this is the consequence of having an actual stupid person in the Oval Office and the majority party being half coerced and half committed in cultlike devotion to POTUS.

Obviously the US has economic weapons. It's the largest economy in the world.

If anything this signals that POTUS himself cannot wield those weapons though, and the American public, political, and business apparatuses have little appetite for this use of those weapons.

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In 2023, 28% of U.S. adults scored at or below Level 1 literacy, indicating significant difficulty with everyday reading tasks. https://www.nu.edu/blog/49-adult-literacy-statistics-and-fac...

You guys are surrounded by other college-educated SWE, you have no idea how bad it is out there.

People without a college degree went Trump 56-43. People with a college degree went for Harris 56-42. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidentia...

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

that was the plan all along

These people are evil, but also bumbling idiots, so sometimes there is no evil plan, just incompetence.

There are direct ties from the administration to companies offering hedges against tariffs. There was absolutely an evil plan, IMO.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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... refunded to the importer of record. Not the people the costs were passed to. Essentially turning it retroactively into a tax to private businesses. This is the worst case of all scenarios for the consumer.

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Their skirts were too short and they didn’t scream hard enough, eh?

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It's a smart play for a flat tax. Baseline at 15-20% on imports (proxy for flat tax on income). Then push to eliminate income tax. It's very much aligned with conservative view points on income tax and it's progressive nature.

Smart if you ignore mathematics

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It's a smart play for a flat tax. Baseline at 15-20% on imports (proxy for flat tax on income). Then push to eliminate income tax. It's very much aligned with conservative view points on income tax and it's progressive nature.

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Cantor Fitzgerald, formerly led by Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and is now run by his son, went to various companies that were affected by tariffs and bought the rights to their potential tariff refunds for 20% of the value on the expectation that it'd be struck down by the courts. Now they stand to make huge returns of 3 to 5x for being correct on that bet, while, of course, consumers get nothing. Now if this i…

I believe, with huge disappointment, that this level of corruption has been normalised in this administration and that nothing will come out of this.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Cantor Fitzgerald, formerly led by Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and is now run by his son, went to various companies that were affected by tariffs and bought the rights to their potential tariff refunds for 20% of the value on the expectation that it'd be struck down by the courts. Now they stand to make huge returns of 3 to 5x for being correct on that bet, while, of course, consumers get nothing. Now if this i…

But they are sticking it to the libs, so it’s all worth it?

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...? No, this is the consequence of having an actual stupid person in the Oval Office and the majority party being half coerced and half committed in cultlike devotion to POTUS. Obviously the US has economic weapons. It's the largest economy in the world. If anything this signals that POTUS himself cannot wield those weapons though, and the American public, political, and business apparatuses have little appetite for…

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