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An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by iamtheworstdev »

snailmailman wrote: post #5

This is a quite scary map. They are all over my local area. It may technically be possible to route a drive around them, but if you take the most convenient path between any two points at least one camera will spot you. I'd have to leave my neighborhood through back roads and enter local shopping areas through sidestreets. This data shouldn't even be collected in the first place, let alone consolidated into a nationa…

wow. quite literally the only ones in my area are surveilling the county park / community center. that's creepy. I'll just have to assume they're doing something creepier at the public library.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by jLaForest »

mikece wrote: post #27
cdrnsf wrote: post #7

Remember, according to Flock's CEO, Deflock is a terrorist organization.

Yes, and according to Steve Ballmer (back in the day) Linux Torvalds was a terrorist. People are allowed to say stupid things.

People are allowed to say stupid things....and those people should be held accountable for the stupid things they say

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by jotux »

cm2012 wrote: post #26
pwg wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you know where some of them are, you can add the data yourself: https://mapcomplete.org/surveillance

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Maybe you could reach out to Flock directly and ask them to install cameras in your kitchen and bedroom too (for crime reduction reasons).

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by burningChrome »

snailmailman wrote: post #5

This is a quite scary map. They are all over my local area. It may technically be possible to route a drive around them, but if you take the most convenient path between any two points at least one camera will spot you. I'd have to leave my neighborhood through back roads and enter local shopping areas through sidestreets. This data shouldn't even be collected in the first place, let alone consolidated into a nationa…

>> This is a quite scary map.

It can be. FLOCK data was used to put Bryan Kohberger at the scene along with other people's security camera's. Cops regularly use FLOCK camera's to get hits for criminals that have warrants for violent crime.

I can see why people are ok with them when they're used to get criminals off the streets. However, I've seen multiple times where cops initiate a felony stop (where people are pulled out at gunpoint and detained) against a car they got a hit on - only to find out the person they really wanted wasn't driving or even in the car at all.

What's interesting is businesses and houses have so many cameras nowadays that the first thing cops do when they get to the scene of a violent crime is canvas the area for camera's. So yeah, you can avoid FLOCK, but there are most likely hundreds of other camera's that will capture you driving through any given area.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by tonymet »

I volunteer for my city & county , and I'm a privacy advocate, so I have an ambivalent opinion on Flock cameras. Given the completely untenable demands on law enforcement, and extreme driver recklessness , the only practical way to enforce law and order with drivers is some sort of automated surveillance.

Since covid, driver recklessness has been out of control. Running reds, extreme speed, escaping police are all common. Pedestrian and cyclist injuries and deaths remain extreme. At the same time, the public demands more oversight and constraints on police , which reduces their ability to enforce the law.

Imagine you are a policy maker, with worse driver behavior, and police force that are less able to enforce the law. What tools would you use to maintain law and order?

If you don't want surveillance, you will have to make some other tradeoffs to allow human beings to better monitor the public and enforce the law. They are not omnipotent and omniscient creatures.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by cm2012 »

ssl-3 wrote: post #29
cm2012 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Can you elaborate upon the kinds of crime reduction that these systems provide?

Isn't it obvious?

> License plate is reported to police associated with a crime.

> Cop looks up plate number

> Flock Camera shows general status and location of that license plate.

> Cops find the car involved with the crime, preventing further criminality.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by doctor_radium »

glitcher wrote: post #24

In my area I'm seeing a few random ones on roadways, but mostly clusters of them in the parking lots of Home Depots, Lowes, and Wal-Marts.

Same here, but just Lowes stores. That I know of. I surveiled the two local Lowes roughly a month ago and found two cameras not mapped, which I gleefully added myself. Want to send them a snail mail complaint at some point stating they won't be getting my business until they step back from turning us into a police state.
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