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Evolving descriptive text of mental content from human brain activity

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Re: Evolving descriptive text of mental content from human brain activity

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> are there people with no intrusive thoughts whatsoever? There are people with no internal monologue whatsoever.

I think every verbal person has the ability to “speak” phrases in their mind; people without an internal monologue (as is, I suppose, the case for me) just don’t need / tend to do that with every thought they have.

While I think this is true, if you're conciously forming phrases they are by definition not intrusive, the subject of the discussion.

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I wanted to comment this HN entry with "people with intrusive thoughts sweating profusely" or something similar, but in truth are there people with no intrusive thoughts whatsoever? I for one don't fight them, regardless how horrible they would be spoken out aloud, because so far I haven't seen any evidence of anyone reading my mind. I also made a point of explaining to my child that her thoughts are hers and hers al…

> are there people with no intrusive thoughts whatsoever? There are people with no internal monologue whatsoever.

Of course someone without an internal monologue can have intrusive thoughts! Do you think intrusive thoughts have to come in the form of a monologue? You don't have intrusive 'scenes' in your everyday experience?

Re: Evolving descriptive text of mental content from human brain activity

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> are there people with no intrusive thoughts whatsoever? There are people with no internal monologue whatsoever.

Of course someone without an internal monologue can have intrusive thoughts! Do you think intrusive thoughts have to come in the form of a monologue? You don't have intrusive 'scenes' in your everyday experience?

> Do you think intrusive thoughts have to come in the form of a monologue?

Do you?

I'm talking about inner monologue because this thread (I recommend to chill and check it out) was talking about inner monologue when I joined.

Re: Evolving descriptive text of mental content from human brain activity

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Prediction: even if this requires surgery, unlocking inner thought will be used in criminal proceedings to establish guilt or attempt to be used to prove innocence. It will definitely be used unethically in military/intelligence interrogations until the law catches up.

Yeah why do that when the government can just “get” someone’s google search history?

Re: Evolving descriptive text of mental content from human brain activity

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Prediction: even if this requires surgery, unlocking inner thought will be used in criminal proceedings to establish guilt or attempt to be used to prove innocence. It will definitely be used unethically in military/intelligence interrogations until the law catches up.

I'm not sure if this would be able to detect the difference between truthful thoughts about actual memories, and intrusive thoughts that could give the entirely wrong impression. Yet, they still do use lie detectors, even though the things they detect can be faked, or triggered out of personal alarm or offense. So it is entirely possible, regardless.

Intrusive thoughts is a big one. Most people report some variation of this phenomenon (myself included), and are often horrified by the thoughts or images their own mind produces, very much wanting them to go away. To be judged by that is unthinkably wrong.

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I have a PhD student working on EEG audio decoding. We are presently focused on a simpler subtopic: the detection of consonance and dissonance in the brain as it listens to music.

It does make me wonder how advanced remote sensing devices are now. With more advanced hardware, can you remotely capture EEG level signals with any accuracy?

As an aside, I briefly read that as the detection of cognitive dissonance. Which I think would be a much more difficult topic.

Re: Evolving descriptive text of mental content from human brain activity

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I'm not sure if this would be able to detect the difference between truthful thoughts about actual memories, and intrusive thoughts that could give the entirely wrong impression. Yet, they still do use lie detectors, even though the things they detect can be faked, or triggered out of personal alarm or offense. So it is entirely possible, regardless.

torture not being that effective has never stopped the US government before

It depends on your classification of effective. If it is to gather accurate information, it is ineffective. If it is to gather the justification for what you were going to do anyway, it can be most effective.

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post #14

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I wanted to comment this HN entry with "people with intrusive thoughts sweating profusely" or something similar, but in truth are there people with no intrusive thoughts whatsoever? I for one don't fight them, regardless how horrible they would be spoken out aloud, because so far I haven't seen any evidence of anyone reading my mind. I also made a point of explaining to my child that her thoughts are hers and hers al…

> are there people with no intrusive thoughts whatsoever? There are people with no internal monologue whatsoever.

I have no internal monologue, but I certainly have intrusive thoughts. They just aren't in words.

Re: Evolving descriptive text of mental content from human brain activity

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> are there people with no intrusive thoughts whatsoever? There are people with no internal monologue whatsoever.

I think every verbal person has the ability to “speak” phrases in their mind; people without an internal monologue (as is, I suppose, the case for me) just don’t need / tend to do that with every thought they have.

This is my experience too. I can rehearse words to say or simulate the conversation of others in my head. I just don't use words when I'm not doing wordy things myself.

I didn't know the Comic strip Partially Clips was a pun until I told someone about the strip, then as soon as the words came out of my mouth realised the joke.

On the other hand I can play back non verbal sounds I have heard in my head, which I think not everyone can do either. Not to the degree of my daughter though, I mentioned how I had noticed an ad was using a singer (not super famous but we knew who they were) and when I told her about it some days later her eyes went blank as she listened to it again and then she said, "Oh yes, it's Nataly"

Brains are weird.

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