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Re: OpenAI – How to delete your account

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Post by virgildotcodes »

stingraycharles wrote: post #19
designerarvid wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe people believe that the US is better off not having a government that coerces private companies? This is a way of showing that. /non-US and just guessing

So then you would prefer Grok instead? The genie is out of the bottle, this will happen anyway. The question is who will be the steward.

Grok and this administration are completely aligned, so if people believe that the government's coercive actions are to be stood up against, why on Earth would they support Grok instead of... the company that's actually taking a stand against government coercion?

Re: OpenAI – How to delete your account

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Post by mentalgear »

Posting it here as a top-level comment as many people asked why boycott just openAi:

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openAI is the least trustworthy of the Big LLM providers. See S(c)am Altman's track record, especially his early comments in senate hearings where:

* he warned of engagement-optimisation strategies, like social media, being used for chatbots / LLMs.

* also, he warned that "ads would be the last resort" for LLM companies.

Both of his own warnings he casually ignored as ChatGPT / openAI has now fully converted to Facebook's tactics of "move fast and break things" - even if it is society itself. A complete turn away from the original AI for science lab it was founded as, which explains why every real (founding) ML scientist has left the company years ago.

While still being for-profit outfits, at least DeepMind and Anthrophic are headed by actual scientists - not marketing guys. At least for me, that brings me some confidence in their intentions as, as scientists we often seek knowledge, not power for power's sake.

Re: OpenAI – How to delete your account

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Post by [deleted] »

stingraycharles wrote: post #19
designerarvid wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe people believe that the US is better off not having a government that coerces private companies? This is a way of showing that. /non-US and just guessing

So then you would prefer Grok instead? The genie is out of the bottle, this will happen anyway. The question is who will be the steward.

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Re: OpenAI – How to delete your account

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Post by rglullis »

stingraycharles wrote: post #19
designerarvid wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe people believe that the US is better off not having a government that coerces private companies? This is a way of showing that. /non-US and just guessing

So then you would prefer Grok instead? The genie is out of the bottle, this will happen anyway. The question is who will be the steward.

> The question is who will be the steward.

I do not have the power to control that, but I do have the power to choose who I support.

Re: OpenAI – How to delete your account

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Post by rustyhancock »

mentalgear wrote: post #33

Posting it here as a top-level comment as many people asked why boycott just openAi: ----- openAI is the least trustworthy of the Big LLM providers. See S(c)am Altman's track record, especially his early comments in senate hearings where: * he warned of engagement-optimisation strategies, like social media, being used for chatbots / LLMs. * also, he warned that "ads would be the last resort" for LLM companies. Both o…

Just boycott them all if you can. That's what I've done.

Some people's livelihoods probably depends on Claude and they can't say use Glm4.7 on HF. Fine. But it's a moral compromise, that's life sometimes you need to compromise what you want for what you need. just don't tell yourself it's a reasonable line to hold.

I can't decouple from Google unfortunately but I accept that without fooling myself into thinking "Oh but Google are fine".

Re: OpenAI – How to delete your account

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Post by podgorniy »

stingraycharles wrote: post #5

Why, though? What, really, does anyone envision the next decade with government + AI is going to be like? Obviously mass surveillance is already happening. Obviously the line between “human kills other human” is blurring for a long time already, eg remote operated drones. Missiles are already remotely controlled and navigating and detecting and following moving targets autonomously. What’s the goal of people who thin…

We are obviously dying. What's the point of doing anything in between now and the last moment? What goal of people who think that doing anything will make any impact?

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Some people do that as a symbolic action. Some to keep own terms as much as they can. Some hope their actions will join others actions and will turn into a signal for decision makers. For others this action reduces the area of their exposure. Others believe in something and just follow their beliefs.

BTW following own set of beliefs is what you're (we all) doing here. You believe that surveillance is already happening and nothing can be done about it, that single action does not matter, that there are no other reasons for action other than direct visible impact, etc. Seems that you analyze others through own set of beliefs and it can not explain actions of others. This inability to explain others suggests that the whole model is flawed in some way. So what is the nature of your beliefs? Did you choose them or they were presented you without alternatives? What are alternatives then? Do these beliefs serve your interests or others?

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