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A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

wasmainiac wrote: post #6
gustavus wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No but then the next step is "well we need a way to enforce it because people are just lying about their age". I guess let me show a slope I found over here, just past the boiling frogs, watch your footing though, it's recently been greased and is quite steep.

I agree, I don’t like it as much as you do. I’m just saying nothing short of a mandated TPM will actually enforce this. I think they know that. I think this is mostly for show to stay relevant wrt. What is happening in the courts. This is the Same play as it always been for registration “are you over the age of 13?”

Which begs the question if Microsoft's stubborn insistence on TPM 2.0 for Windows 11 to operate was something planned out in advance of this law being proposed.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by perching_aix »

cjs_ac wrote: post #18

Ignoring all the tedious 'no, you're a bad person for having different priorities and beliefs to me' comments that this will inevitably inspire, I have to ask: why does the operating system need to be involved in this? The intended target of the regulation seems to be app stores. Someone has fallen victim to Politician's Logic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vidzkYnaf6Y

Because that's the first layer that deals with user accounts, and subsequent layers commonly base off of identity information stored in there. Just like how and why every other shared interface exists.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

calgoo wrote: post #24
uniq7 wrote: post #11

You know the non-governmental organization "Save the Children"? Maybe it's time to create a new one called "Fuck the Children" to defend people from these laws designed to mine privacy under the pretense of protecting minors.

Well, you might actually get support from the Epsteinian class ruling the US.

And their MAP allies.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by hnav »

dpoloncsak wrote: post #3

I'm under the impression anyone doing nefarious things online are probably more-than tech savvy enough to not install an OS that rats them out...right? Isnt that literally one of the first rules of the DNM Bible?

One thing that's happening is that attestation is being plumbed into the web itself. CloudFlare and Apple have a collab where Safari will inject tokens that let CF know that the request is coming from a blessed device. In a world where all websites are being crushed by bot traffic, expect that Goog pushes on their own integrity initiative in Chrome in the next year or two.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by sidewndr46 »

hnburnsy wrote: post #22
frshgts wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The definitions of the terms are completely bananas The language is so broad it seems to cover all software that exists and is accessible via the internet, and every install of an operating system on any kind of machine > (c) “Application” means a software application that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, a mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device that can access a covered applicati…

So my Garmin watch, my Home Assistant OS, maybe even my Shelly devices? I want to know who is behind these laws like this one and the 3D printer gun verification, that seem to pop up across state legislatures all at the same time.

It sure sounds like my Arduino is subject to this since it can download a sketch and run it when hooked to my PC

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Post by davorak »

cjs_ac wrote: post #18

Ignoring all the tedious 'no, you're a bad person for having different priorities and beliefs to me' comments that this will inevitably inspire, I have to ask: why does the operating system need to be involved in this? The intended target of the regulation seems to be app stores. Someone has fallen victim to Politician's Logic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vidzkYnaf6Y

> why does the operating system need to be involved in this?

The goal in my mind is to have an account a parent can setup for their child. This account is set up by an account with more permissions access. Then the app store depends on that OS level feature to tell what apps are can be offered to the account.

Let say the the age questions happen when you install the app store. That means if you can install the app store while logged in as the child account the child can answer whatever they want and get access to apps out side of their age range. The law could require the app to be installable and configurable from a different account then given access or installed on the child account, however at a glance that seem a larger hurdle than an os/account level parental control features.

The headline calls this age verification, but the quote in the article "(2) Provide a developer who...years of age." Make it sound way different and much more reasonable than what discord is doing.

I would much rather have OSs be mandated with parental control features than what discord is currently doing. I am going to read the bill later but here is how discord age verification could work under this law.

During account creation discord access a browser level api and verifies it server side. discord no knows if the OS account is label as for someone under 13 years, over 13 and under 16, over 16 and under 18, or over 18. Then sets their discord account with the appropriate access.

No face scan, no third party, and no government ID required.

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