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Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

krapp wrote: post #13
alangibson wrote: post #4

It's not named the Department of War because Congress didn't rename it. Other than that, good on ya.

It is called the Department of War because we live under fascism and Congress no longer matters. All that matters is that everyone calls it the Department of War, and regards it as such, which everyone does.

> All that matters is that everyone calls it the Department of War, and regards it as such, which everyone does.

What you just described is consensus, and framing it as fascism damages the credibility of your stance. There are better arguments to make, which don’t require framing a label update as oppression.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by mvkel »

Good optics, but ultimately fruitless.

If preventing mass surveillance or fully autonomous weaponry is a -policy- choice and not a technical impossibility, this just opens the door for the department of war to exploit backdoors, and anthropic (or any ai company) can in good conscience say "Our systems were unknowingly used for mass surveillance," allowing them to save face.

The only solution is to make it technically -impossible- to apply AI in these ways, much like Apple has done. They can't be forced to compel with any government, because they don't have the keys.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

Idk if the reporting was just biased before, but from what I saw is that this time last week, it was thought you couldn't use Anthropic to bring about harm, and now they're making it clear that they just don't want it used domestically and not fully autonomously.

Like maybe it always was just this, but I feel every article I read, regardless of the spin angle, implied do no harm was pretty much one of the rules.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

_cenw wrote: post #24

As a "foreign national", what's the deal with making the distinction between domestic mass surveillance and foreign mass surveillance? Are there no democracies aside from the US? Don't we know since Snowden that if the US wants to do domestic surveillance they'll just ask GCHQ to share their "foreign" surveillance capabilities?

Are all democracies allies to you?

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by ra »

_cenw wrote: post #24

As a "foreign national", what's the deal with making the distinction between domestic mass surveillance and foreign mass surveillance? Are there no democracies aside from the US? Don't we know since Snowden that if the US wants to do domestic surveillance they'll just ask GCHQ to share their "foreign" surveillance capabilities?

100% - this is the shortsightedness and demonstrates hypocrisy.

Countries routinely use other countries intelligence gathering apparatus to get around domestic surveillance laws.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by sheikhnbake »

_cenw wrote: post #24

As a "foreign national", what's the deal with making the distinction between domestic mass surveillance and foreign mass surveillance? Are there no democracies aside from the US? Don't we know since Snowden that if the US wants to do domestic surveillance they'll just ask GCHQ to share their "foreign" surveillance capabilities?

Exactly. FVEYs been doing reciprocal surveillance on each other for decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes#Domestic_espionage_s...

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by georgemcbay »

flumpcakes wrote: post #20

This is such a depressing read. What is becoming of the USA? Let's hope sanity prevails and the next election cycle can bring in some competent non-grievance based leadership.

> Let's hope sanity prevails and the next election cycle can bring in some competent non-grievance based leadership.

Would be nice, but I have a bad feeling that the impact of widescale mostly unregulated AI adoption on our social fabric is going to make the social media era that gave rise to Trump, et al seem like the good ol' days in comparison.

I hope I am wrong.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by gmueckl »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #34
_cenw wrote: post #24

As a "foreign national", what's the deal with making the distinction between domestic mass surveillance and foreign mass surveillance? Are there no democracies aside from the US? Don't we know since Snowden that if the US wants to do domestic surveillance they'll just ask GCHQ to share their "foreign" surveillance capabilities?

Are all democracies allies to you?

That still doesn't justify mass surveillance.
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