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Don't host email yourself – your reminder in 2026

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Re: Don't host email yourself – your reminder in 2026

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This attitude is so self-defeating. If no one hosts their own email anymore, no one will be able to host their own email anymore in the future. Having said that, I host some of my mail with Hetzner, and even at their scale they sometimes have deliverability issues.

That depends on what your goal is. If it's to change the world, it's self-defeating. If it's to build a product, it's common sense.

Re: Don't host email yourself – your reminder in 2026

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Hosting email yourself is fine. Once you figure out the right incantations and order of animal sacrifice, it will stay fine. Mine has been online for 15 years, and I have no issues. I don't even get much spam because it's a weird domain. No routing issues to anyone. It's been my one and only email service for many years. However, I must strongly caution everyone: do NOT give an account to someone you aren't already m…

>unless you're also giving them a ring I'm sorry you're under the impression that a ring means anything except you saying "I bet you half my stuff we stay together". You are under no legal or moral obligation to continue to labor on your ex's behalf for the rest of your life. The fallout from a breakup is each individual's responsibility.

Yeah that's an interesting juxtaposition.

Why can't you tell her to just use Gmail and autoforward the email you manage to that account?

Re: Don't host email yourself – your reminder in 2026

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I self-hosted for well over 20 years, I did not throw the towel and I do not plan to. Self-hosting is a sign of pride. Neither my government nor my Prime Minister nor even my Ministry of Interior or Foreign Ministry can host their own email. Last time I checked, only State Security self-hosted. I was probably lucky, but I rarely had delivery problems. The last one was a couple years ago with Microsoft swallowing my e…

All of the above! The only time I ever have to ssh into my self-hosted E-mail system is when something else upstream fails, like LetsEncrypt failed to renew my certificates, and I have to nudge that thing. Exim itself has been rock solid.

Re: Don't host email yourself – your reminder in 2026

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post #10

This attitude is so self-defeating. If no one hosts their own email anymore, no one will be able to host their own email anymore in the future. Having said that, I host some of my mail with Hetzner, and even at their scale they sometimes have deliverability issues.

Yes and no. Email was designed before the internet had a constant background radiation of SPAM and bullshit, and the network has evolved accordingly.

If you want to deal with the background radiation firsthand that's your prerogative, but it's like growing your own food. Unless you're committed, there's no reason to not just use the grocery store.

Re: Don't host email yourself – your reminder in 2026

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- Don't host email yourself

- Don't host your website yourself

- Don't operate your servers yourself

- Don't even own a website yourself

- Don't allow robots onto your site

- Don't allow cookies by default

- Don't do this and that and you'll disappear from "the internet" (google, now llms)

- Don't..

How about we bring internet back to its roots? Let's keep own directory of websites like in ye good old times and be done with it. Internet became a garden of few big companies. 1995-2005 RIP

Re: Don't host email yourself – your reminder in 2026

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- Don't host email yourself - Don't host your website yourself - Don't operate your servers yourself - Don't even own a website yourself - Don't allow robots onto your site - Don't allow cookies by default - Don't do this and that and you'll disappear from "the internet" (google, now llms) - Don't.. How about we bring internet back to its roots? Let's keep own directory of websites like in ye good old times and be do…

I’ve self hosted a server for various things going back to somewhere around 2006/7? Whenever I finally had access to a non dial up connection.

I’ve not always used it for anything amazing, over the years it’s been just an ftp server, just http, just a Remote Desktop, a Minecraft server, email server, etc etc. (obviously sometimes combinations, and the hardware has changed from the original - the original being a motherboard without an enclosure I would start by shorting the pins with a butter knife ….)

Re: Don't host email yourself – your reminder in 2026

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post #26
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the world will be a better place with a real email alternative. The current system does not work. I should be able to refuse emails and not get spammed with life ending phishing and malicious links around every corner. Email providers shouldn’t be able to whoopsie and delete emails on my behalf, or gatekeep information that’s needed in court. Self hosting doesn’t fix the core problems with email even if you don’…

"refuse emails" already exists, that's the "hard bounce" thing that the OP is talking about. Phishing and malicious links exists on every kind of messaging - email, forums, whatsapp, telegram, SMS... you name it, it has spam/phishing. You'd think that at least "real name" or "pay a bit per message" might discourage this, but example of SMS (text) shows otherwise. With any system the server operator will be able to de…

I can refuse a very specific email configuration, but there are so many simple variations, it isn't all that effective. Tons of cold email providers have you first buy 100 domain names, warm up the IP's with bots, and then send the same emails from a variety of email addresses/domains/servers. I think the question is does this low barrier to entry really outweigh the added challenge of allowing low volume actors host their own systems?

(steps on soapbox) And as long as we are talking about SPAM, why in God's name if I block a text message and then the phone number from ringing is there an additional block required to prevent voicemail? Oh, I see, it is so Verizon and others can charge me to block voicemails. Even on Google FI, if I block a number on Messages it doesn't carry over to calls which doesn't carry over to voicemail. Enshitification. (steps down)

Re: Don't host email yourself – your reminder in 2026

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Hosting email yourself is fine. Once you figure out the right incantations and order of animal sacrifice, it will stay fine. Mine has been online for 15 years, and I have no issues. I don't even get much spam because it's a weird domain. No routing issues to anyone. It's been my one and only email service for many years. However, I must strongly caution everyone: do NOT give an account to someone you aren't already m…

>unless you're also giving them a ring I'm sorry you're under the impression that a ring means anything except you saying "I bet you half my stuff we stay together". You are under no legal or moral obligation to continue to labor on your ex's behalf for the rest of your life. The fallout from a breakup is each individual's responsibility.

I'm sorry you're under the impression that you can tell what stuff means to other people
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