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$30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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We have no way of knowing the laptops' effect on isolation, so this is just clickbait. For all we know, the generation would have been even less cognitively capable, but for the laptops...

they failed to account for the fact that very similar effects are happening around the world in places where no investment was made to bring laptops to schools

these kids have smartphones and tablets and they spend countless hours on them, it's not that hard to see the effect this has

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

#32

We have no way of knowing the laptops' effect on isolation, so this is just clickbait. For all we know, the generation would have been even less cognitively capable, but for the laptops...

Yeah, it seems really odd to be blaming laptops.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

#33
post #15

I’m not convinced laptops were as big an issue as intentionally sabotaging the US educational system with things like No Child Left Behind and Common Core. Are Gen-Z folks overseas as screwed as Americans, and is there a correlation between academic performance and classroom laptops?

Trend is pretty clear pretty much across all western countries. Even among ones that have supposedly highest quality public education like Norway, Sweden, Germany, etc...

People are getting too stuck on US specific issues and missing that this is a pretty global problem.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

#34
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is all fluff until someone links to a peer reviewed study.

https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/pisa-2022-results-volum... Citing Program for International Student Assessment data taken from 15-year-olds across the world and other standardized tests, Horvath noted not only dipping test scores, but also a stark correlation in scores and time spent on computers in school, such that more screen time was related to worse scores.

Let's see what this study actually says, shall we?

> Students who spent up to one hour per day on digital devices for learning activities in school scored 14 points higher in mathematics than students who spent no time, even after accounting for students’ and schools’ socio-economic profile, and this positive relationship is observed in over half (45 countries and economies) of all systems with available data.

That sounds like school laptops to me.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

#35

This article tries to put the blame on laptops when the real culprit could simply be boiled down to a failure in classroom management and lack of enforcement against cell phones in class, whiny parents who rage when their children are told they can't be playing video games in class, and teachers who are using computer programs to teach the kids instead of actually teaching. Ban phones from class. For real. Lock down…

If we're spouting off unsubstantiated claims. I'll add teachers unions and the mandatory spend of tax money on their near monopolies versus a voucher system that allows parents to choose the best education the money can buy. (To be clear I do think we should fund educating our children, I disagree with forcing the purchase to go to a specific solution / system)

Even with vouchers, there are specific solutions and systems you're allowed to use.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

#37

Pretty simple solution: all tech out of schools, back to paper. There is value in being able to automate things, but there is far more value in being able to first to learn how to do stuff yourself.

> Pretty simple solution: all tech out of schools, back to paper.

That'll do something, but making maximally-capable individuals probably ain't it. There's a balance to be struck here.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

#38

Pretty simple solution: all tech out of schools, back to paper. There is value in being able to automate things, but there is far more value in being able to first to learn how to do stuff yourself.

I don't agree with them but many people now say that in 10-20 years computers will become magical thinking machines that can do pretty nearly any cognitive task. At that point I wonder what the point of learning technology will be? Perhaps it would be best to learn about logic and how the world works so you can interact with these magical machines more effectively, and not learn much about how the machines actually work - you won't be tinkering with their insides anyway.

So yeah, if that comes to pass why not go back to paper. Have the kids study science, logic, history, etc and forget about technology, except for the few weird ones who just can't keep away from it.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

#39
post #13

Article didn't explain why tech doesn't work in education. It's biological. We evolved to learn from and interact with other humans, preferably the same group over a long time, so we really get to understand/mirror/like/support each other. Anyone who has tried Duolingo gets this. Drop me in China with Chinese friends and I'll learn 100x faster. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-_VDYit3U

Even bird watching. I try these apps and nothing sticks. Books ok. But I go for a hour walk with experts talking and I can remember the entire scene of the bird, what it was perched on, its sound, its name, its appearance, its behavior.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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This article tries to put the blame on laptops when the real culprit could simply be boiled down to a failure in classroom management and lack of enforcement against cell phones in class, whiny parents who rage when their children are told they can't be playing video games in class, and teachers who are using computer programs to teach the kids instead of actually teaching. Ban phones from class. For real. Lock down…

>whiny parents who rage when their children are told they can't be playing video games in class

you have stats on that? It seems like an outlier.

>teachers who are using computer programs to teach the kids instead of actually teaching.

before laptops there were bad teachers who used books to teach the kids instead of actually teaching - as in: "read chapter 7, there will be a test!"

if after laptops there is a worse result then it seems to argue that laptops in the hands of bad teachers are worse than books in the hands of bad teachers, at least.

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