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Zuckerberg's "fix" for child safety could end anonymous internet access for all

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Re: Zuckerberg's "fix" for child safety could end anonymous internet access for all

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Post by wiredpancake »

bubblewand wrote: post #16
iamnothere wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was a kid, most families that had a computer kept it in a common area. Same with the TV, for that matter. Some families did not. Mine did not! But that was a decision that was up to individual families. I don’t see why these decisions should be up to anyone but individual families. Period. If your kids are mature enough for unsupervised computer use, or if you don’t see it as a problem, that’s up to you as a p…

Attempting to manage this as a parent is hellish. I can't speak for other parents, but some standards for parental controls—the presence of which and adherence to might be enforced by law, if need be, and need probably would be since none of this is stuff vendors couldn't have figured out on their own long ago if they cared to—we could leverage would be goddamn nice and is all I'd really want. Especially as devices g…

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Re: Zuckerberg's "fix" for child safety could end anonymous internet access for all

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Post by throwaway87543 »

Authentication & Authorization is a OS feature. But instead of the OS collecting everyone's age, just give parents the ability to verify their child's phone is in child lockdown mode. Then the phone narc's to the website: "the user is under age". Not "the user was born on Feb 29 2001." We can rely on parenting to ensure a child doesn't have a non child mode phone. Enable parents, not control everyone.

Re: Zuckerberg's "fix" for child safety could end anonymous internet access for all

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Post by hedora »

techblueberry wrote: post #8

I find it relatively strange that over the past 30-40 years, we went from a world where most everything was intermediated by parents, and “adult” media was relatively well gatekept to this online Wild West where it seems almost any attempt to gatekeep is seen as a freedom violation. Maybe this is why we need protocols over platforms? But like, kids shouldn’t be able to sign a ToS until they’re 18. I have little sympa…

There’s definitely an inversion going on, where all the predators (individuals and corporations) target parts of the internet designed for children, and the kid’s platforms created financial incentives for themselves that mean the worst content bubbles to the top.

I thought youtube kids was sketchy as hell until I discovered the current state of “educational” online games.

Re: Zuckerberg's "fix" for child safety could end anonymous internet access for all

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Post by inigyou »

throwaway87543 wrote: post #32

Authentication & Authorization is a OS feature. But instead of the OS collecting everyone's age, just give parents the ability to verify their child's phone is in child lockdown mode. Then the phone narc's to the website: "the user is under age". Not "the user was born on Feb 29 2001." We can rely on parenting to ensure a child doesn't have a non child mode phone. Enable parents, not control everyone.

OS vendors don't want to add this feature, though. That could be because they make their money from a percentage of IAPs and ads.

And when they are mandated, like in Brazil, we HN commenters hate that even more, because apparently in Brazil it's illegal to sell a phone without locked bootloader, or an OS that can run software from outside of an app store, because the user might install an OS or an app that doesn't comply with the child-lock law.

Re: Zuckerberg's "fix" for child safety could end anonymous internet access for all

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

techblueberry wrote: post #8

I find it relatively strange that over the past 30-40 years, we went from a world where most everything was intermediated by parents, and “adult” media was relatively well gatekept to this online Wild West where it seems almost any attempt to gatekeep is seen as a freedom violation. Maybe this is why we need protocols over platforms? But like, kids shouldn’t be able to sign a ToS until they’re 18. I have little sympa…

as personally identifying information becomes more and more central to modern life, the risk of that info being leaked or stolen becomes even greater. And, given the global nature of the internet, having that info on some server that is connected to the rest of the internet increases that risk further still.

Previously, your local dirty movie theater might ask for ID before selling you tickets to Debbie Does Dallas and they might even keep a copy on file for later reference. Assuming that the underpaid usher didn't just glance at the DOB, that copy likely goes into a filing cabinet in the back of the building. That's not necessarily safe, but the opportunity for that being stolen and sold is minuscule compared to today. Even if it were on a computer database somewhere, the internet of 30-40 years ago, inasmuch as it existed, was not the behemoth that it is today.

Re: Zuckerberg's "fix" for child safety could end anonymous internet access for all

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Post by bubblewand »

hedora wrote: post #33
techblueberry wrote: post #8

I find it relatively strange that over the past 30-40 years, we went from a world where most everything was intermediated by parents, and “adult” media was relatively well gatekept to this online Wild West where it seems almost any attempt to gatekeep is seen as a freedom violation. Maybe this is why we need protocols over platforms? But like, kids shouldn’t be able to sign a ToS until they’re 18. I have little sympa…

There’s definitely an inversion going on, where all the predators (individuals and corporations) target parts of the internet designed for children, and the kid’s platforms created financial incentives for themselves that mean the worst content bubbles to the top. I thought youtube kids was sketchy as hell until I discovered the current state of “educational” online games.

I'd never have guessed it'd be the case, but the number of "educational" games has exploded since I was a kid, while I'm not sure the rate of new ones that are any good at educating (not proportion, actual count) is even as high as it was in the '90s. It's kind of amazing. It appears that, for some reason, the market's way bigger but being any good isn't a useful differentiator for the purposes of sorting out who gets money. I mean you expect that to be the case with ad-supported, but paid edutainment games are like that too. It's so weird, my kids have been around for the golden age of the App Store and beyond, and there's been vanishingly little in the way of good edutainment games that entire time. A few, but it's so very few.

Re: Zuckerberg's "fix" for child safety could end anonymous internet access for all

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Post by charcircuit »

It seems a stretch to me that an operating system having an isAdult() function would end anonymous internet access. Plenty of apps want to avoid showing NSFW content to children and having an API that lets them easily do so has a lot of value. Parental controls must be trivial for an app to implement if we want it to be widespread.
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