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Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by em-bee »

logicchains wrote: post #24
Pulcinella wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: The format is bad. The constant stream of videos, skipping between videos at (relatively) your own pace, the anticipation about the next video; it's similar to electronic gambling machines.

>electronic gambling machines. Gambling is bad because it wastes people's money. Short-form videos just waste people's time, the same as the hours of television that older generations spend watching every day but with more diversified propaganda.

"just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. people wasting time staring at screens is the prevalent problem of today. with TV it was not as bad because there was/is only one in a room so it becomes shared experience. phones are worse.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by Almondsetat »

avidruntime wrote: post #11
Almondsetat wrote: post #5

"Open-source TikTok" is like reading "open source slot machine". Not something you should be proud of, no matter how much you sugarcoat it with "All the fun of short-form video, none of the corporate control"

Short form content is a medium that isn't going away. Short form content is not inherently harmful, although short form content replacing or displacing other important mediums arguably is. When I think about the issues stemming from short form content, I don't think about the inherent medium, I think about the providers and their capabilities to use the sum of all consumed content by a user in the name of a ulterior…

Short form user generated content being served in our faces in a constant and ever updating feed fucks up our brains. It does not matter if it's proprietary or FOSS or non profit.

>Is your objection in the marketing language or in the inherent technology?

I think saying it's like an open source slot machine is pretty much self-explanatory

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by Pulcinella »

logicchains wrote: post #24
Pulcinella wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: The format is bad. The constant stream of videos, skipping between videos at (relatively) your own pace, the anticipation about the next video; it's similar to electronic gambling machines.

>electronic gambling machines. Gambling is bad because it wastes people's money. Short-form videos just waste people's time, the same as the hours of television that older generations spend watching every day but with more diversified propaganda.

Go a little further. Think about "how." How do slot machines get people to waste their money for hours-on-end? How does TikTok use short-form video to get people to scroll for hours-on-end? What is the mechanism?

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by ajam1507 »

CharlesW wrote: post #20
weezing wrote: post #7

This form of content is bad regardless of platform.

The problem with TikTok isn't the form, which is effectively StumbleUpon for short-form video (or Dave Winer's "river of news" in video form, if you prefer). There's brainrot content on all platforms, but there's also ArtTok, BookTok, CraftTok, EduTok, FoodTok, GardenTok, HistoryTok, MathTok, MusicTok, PoliTok, ScienceTok, TechTok, and lots more.

Short form video is the brainrot.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by jonplackett »

logicchains wrote: post #24
Pulcinella wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: The format is bad. The constant stream of videos, skipping between videos at (relatively) your own pace, the anticipation about the next video; it's similar to electronic gambling machines.

>electronic gambling machines. Gambling is bad because it wastes people's money. Short-form videos just waste people's time, the same as the hours of television that older generations spend watching every day but with more diversified propaganda.

At least you have to go a casino for gambling. Short form video wastes your entire life away.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by Almondsetat »

logicchains wrote: post #21
sheiyei wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, health advocacy (societal and mental). Better formats exist

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Small minority? What about all the studies and statistics both from third parties and from the social networks themselves showing a direct effect on the _majority_ of users? Not that I expected a better argument from someone that crams in "leftists" as an unwarranted snide remark

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by Almondsetat »

logicchains wrote: post #24
Pulcinella wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: The format is bad. The constant stream of videos, skipping between videos at (relatively) your own pace, the anticipation about the next video; it's similar to electronic gambling machines.

>electronic gambling machines. Gambling is bad because it wastes people's money. Short-form videos just waste people's time, the same as the hours of television that older generations spend watching every day but with more diversified propaganda.

"just" waste people's time? their most valuable resource?

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by sodapopcan »

pizza wrote: post #29
weezing wrote: post #7

This form of content is bad regardless of platform.

Why?

I feel justified turning this around on you and asking what is good about it? It's disposable media. In and out of brain in seconds. There are any number of better ways to waste time let alone ones that don't show you ads.
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