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Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by victorbjorklund »

gnull wrote: post #7
riffraff wrote: post #3

Georgian cuisine and drinking is little known in the west but it's really, really good. It's a pity the country has been democratically backsliding for a while, which has limited their hopes of tighter integration with the EU.

I doubt they will benefit from that integration much. But I'm pretty sure the way there will hurt. Georgia's economy is tied to Russia at the moment, and as you said Westerners are not exactly lining up to travel to Georgia and order its wine (Russians are). The narrative "people want EU (aka freedom and democracy), but bad dictators won't let them" is a populist one. And EU has been using it like carrot and stick to…

Let me guess, you think that Ukrainians also really want to be part of Russia and that they are just being manipulated by Westerners and that true Ukrainians wanna be part of Russian Empire? And that Russians are just liberating them.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by poisonarena »

pinkmuffinere wrote: post #25
poisonarena wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love Sakartvelo, but its ottoman/turkish food meets slavic food.. I can't think of a single dish (khachapuri/khinkali/etc).. that is from Georgia, that also doesnt exist in its neighboring countries in the middle east under a different name, russia/ukraine, and the balkans. Dont tell them that though, they don't like it! Its a total crossroads of a country

To be fair, this is true of all the Middle East. Döner, baklava kunefe, coffee, börek, etc. But the combination of common elements is still delicious, and every region has their own unique opinions about what makes a dish “correct”. I would easily believe the balkans (or any costly neighboring countries) are the same.

agreed, food doesn't belong to anyone

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by victorbjorklund »

CjHuber wrote: post #26
Tade0 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The narrative "people want EU (aka freedom and democracy), but bad dictators won't let them" is a populist one. Former eastern block members that are currently in the EU beg to differ. It's no accident that there's such a developmental gap between those of the former communist states which turned to the west vs those who remained in Russia's sphere of influence. You can't meaningfully prosper with Russia.

It's terrible that people think like that, especially in Georgia where they are still not tied to the debt fueled pyramid scheme that is the EU. They still think of Europe as how it was 20 years+ ago, they always only look at the surface and never if the whole concept really works out long term.

Russia is a tiny tiny economy built on corruption. Their whole economy is about selling energy. and right now their economy is failing. They're exporting less and less and less. They even have to import fuel because they can't produce enough for their own economy.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by lukan »

CjHuber wrote: post #26
Tade0 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The narrative "people want EU (aka freedom and democracy), but bad dictators won't let them" is a populist one. Former eastern block members that are currently in the EU beg to differ. It's no accident that there's such a developmental gap between those of the former communist states which turned to the west vs those who remained in Russia's sphere of influence. You can't meaningfully prosper with Russia.

It's terrible that people think like that, especially in Georgia where they are still not tied to the debt fueled pyramid scheme that is the EU. They still think of Europe as how it was 20 years+ ago, they always only look at the surface and never if the whole concept really works out long term.

"They still think of Europe as how it was 20 years+ ago, they always only look at the surface and never if the whole concept really works out long term."

Poland today seems in a way better spot than in was 20 years ago, so it seems it worked out for them. Likewise all the other eastern EU members where I travelled around. As soon as I left EU territory, things looked way worse.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by victorbjorklund »

legerdemain wrote: post #5
dyauspitr wrote: post #2

Crazy to think that’s roughly around when white people started becoming… white. It was basically all dark skinned people on the planet before then.

There's a reason they call them Caucasian.

You got it the opposite way. basically some pseudoscientist thought that the schools of people from the Caucasus had the most beautiful skulls when they were dead. and since he was white he thought that this must be where all white people are coming from. So he claimed that white people are Caucasian. Even if this is of course not true that most Anglo-Saxon people are coming from the Caucasian mountains.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by misja111 »

CjHuber wrote: post #26
Tade0 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The narrative "people want EU (aka freedom and democracy), but bad dictators won't let them" is a populist one. Former eastern block members that are currently in the EU beg to differ. It's no accident that there's such a developmental gap between those of the former communist states which turned to the west vs those who remained in Russia's sphere of influence. You can't meaningfully prosper with Russia.

It's terrible that people think like that, especially in Georgia where they are still not tied to the debt fueled pyramid scheme that is the EU. They still think of Europe as how it was 20 years+ ago, they always only look at the surface and never if the whole concept really works out long term.

And the alternative is ... Russia? A corrupt dictatorship whose economy is kept alive with government war spending?

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by [deleted] »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #31
gnull wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt they will benefit from that integration much. But I'm pretty sure the way there will hurt. Georgia's economy is tied to Russia at the moment, and as you said Westerners are not exactly lining up to travel to Georgia and order its wine (Russians are). The narrative "people want EU (aka freedom and democracy), but bad dictators won't let them" is a populist one. And EU has been using it like carrot and stick to…

Let me guess, you think that Ukrainians also really want to be part of Russia and that they are just being manipulated by Westerners and that true Ukrainians wanna be part of Russian Empire? And that Russians are just liberating them.

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Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by petesergeant »

darthoctopus wrote: post #8
petesergeant wrote: post #4

They're very proud of it too, but having spent time in Tbilisi (strong recommend!), there's a very simple reason you can buy French and Australian wine at your local shop, but nobody has bothered to make sure there's a good selection of Georgian wine there.

what _is_ that reason, out of curiosity?

It doesn't match the tastes of non-Georgian consumers, beyond being a (usually short-lived) curiosity

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by simion314 »

gnull wrote: post #7
riffraff wrote: post #3

Georgian cuisine and drinking is little known in the west but it's really, really good. It's a pity the country has been democratically backsliding for a while, which has limited their hopes of tighter integration with the EU.

I doubt they will benefit from that integration much. But I'm pretty sure the way there will hurt. Georgia's economy is tied to Russia at the moment, and as you said Westerners are not exactly lining up to travel to Georgia and order its wine (Russians are). The narrative "people want EU (aka freedom and democracy), but bad dictators won't let them" is a populist one. And EU has been using it like carrot and stick to…

Oh, is the CIA at it again? brainwashing people to hate the good old Ruzzian empire and the tzar? If only those Georgians could travel to Ruzzia and Europe and make their own minds if they want to be like Ukraine and Belarus that sucked on Putin or they want to be like Poland or Romania ... /sarcasm

No idea dude why all this KGB attempts to pretend that Ruzzia is some kind of big nice brother to Georgia after they fucking invaded them and grabbed their lands , the big brother is a bit violent if he drinks too much and unfortunately he is always drunk on power and dreams of making the empire great again ?

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