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I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by ben_w »

stackbutterflow wrote: post #17

In conclusion from the `What you realistically can't avoid` section is that running entirely on non american services will never happen. Unless some entity pours hundreds of billions (trillions?) of euros into solving this over multiple decades there will be no way to replace google ads and sign in with google/apple. The AI part seems to be the easiest thing to solve in the list, that says something.

In the history of geopolitics, even with what little I've learned of it, "will never happen" can be as soon as two years.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by cpursley »

marwann wrote: post #9

My European stack: - OVH for object storage, domain names and simple Wordpress websites - Scalingo/3DS Outscale for PaaS (looking for alternatives here!) - Mailjet used to be EU but they've been acquired by Mailgun - don't know if that's an issue. Brevo is okay as an email service provider but they could be way better.

Mailersend is EU and fantastic

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by willy__ »

the_duke wrote: post #29
Daegalus wrote: post #19

Great post, I did a similar switch mid last year. Hetzner was something I already used, so I just doubled down. I have a single OVH instance where I ma playing with Openclaw, but that was because I was having issues with Hetzner that day on their new instance page (was fixed the next day) I use Bunny for my CDN, I just wish they have the capabilityt to route IPv4 and IPv6 traffic to IPv6 only origins. If your origin…

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Do you have a source for this? First time I am hearing about that one. The German hosting CEO circle is pretty intimate and I gathered that Martin Hetzner is still around.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by willy__ »

Misteur-Z wrote: post #27

* Scaleway is totally painful/scary on data encryption at rest and in transit, does not feel like your infra/data is isolated from other customers * OVHCloud is good if you deploy your production in HA fashion with higher tiers or do multi-region yourself using a vRack, real issue that they made the news with burning DCs, the fact that the customer base has been originally a gazillion cheap web servers does not help…

I found scaleway's IAM system pretty solid so far. Right balance between "gives you nightmares" (GCP) and "one key to rule them all" (Hetzner.. Bunny.. and so many others)

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by paffdragon »

I was kind of interested in the content, but I am so overloaded with AI slop by now, that reading this generated text gives me nausea.

I was looking to see why they landed on this stack, but there are no alternatives or evaluation criteria listed - given the generated article, I wonder how much of the infra was selected by an LLM.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by ahartmetz »

the_duke wrote: post #29
Daegalus wrote: post #19

Great post, I did a similar switch mid last year. Hetzner was something I already used, so I just doubled down. I have a single OVH instance where I ma playing with Openclaw, but that was because I was having issues with Hetzner that day on their new instance page (was fixed the next day) I use Bunny for my CDN, I just wish they have the capabilityt to route IPv4 and IPv6 traffic to IPv6 only origins. If your origin…

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I don't find anything about that - I think it's not true.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by willy__ »

paffdragon wrote: post #35

I was kind of interested in the content, but I am so overloaded with AI slop by now, that reading this generated text gives me nausea. I was looking to see why they landed on this stack, but there are no alternatives or evaluation criteria listed - given the generated article, I wonder how much of the infra was selected by an LLM.

Claude helped write the article. It is 2026. I proof read it though and yes, giving an LLM a list of specific criteria of what you are looking for in a product is actually a pretty good experience.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by Daegalus »

the_duke wrote: post #29
Daegalus wrote: post #19

Great post, I did a similar switch mid last year. Hetzner was something I already used, so I just doubled down. I have a single OVH instance where I ma playing with Openclaw, but that was because I was having issues with Hetzner that day on their new instance page (was fixed the next day) I use Bunny for my CDN, I just wish they have the capabilityt to route IPv4 and IPv6 traffic to IPv6 only origins. If your origin…

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Uhh, can I get a source on this? I can not find a single mention of this anywhere and it seems the company is still independent and German.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by ozgrakkurt »

adamas wrote: post #8
xvilka wrote: post #3

Codeberg would make a better choice if we speak about EU source code forges. And Forgejo instead of Gitea, which is nowadays controversial project.

Isn't Codeberg only for Open Source ?

Github or other commercial alternatives aren’t for closed source either anymore.

Putting closed source code on github is basically asking them to launder it through LLMs

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