Honestly, I didn't really see much wrongdoing on part of the leadership, namely Wen Jiabao, as described in the article. Its mostly relatives taking advantage of political connections. Its a broken system, where the state is too closely intertwined with business. Hopefully the rumors are true and the new ruling coalition will make some progress in liberalizing the economy modeling it after Singapore's.
China Blocks Web Access to The New York Times After Article
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Re: China Blocks Web Access to The New York Times After Article
#32It happens in pockets of the US, too: Jerry Falwell's conservative Liberty University did a very similar thing. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/campus-overload/post/fal... EDIT: mircocosm was a poor word choice
Liberty University is in no way a "microcosm of the US". If anything, it is a Christian version of the Islamic Republic, hidden in Virginia.
You're right. I chose a poor word there. I meant that they are a pocket of this kind of ideology in the US (retaliatory censorship).
Re: China Blocks Web Access to The New York Times After Article
#33It happens in pockets of the US, too: Jerry Falwell's conservative Liberty University did a very similar thing. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/campus-overload/post/fal... EDIT: mircocosm was a poor word choice
> Jerry Falwell's conservative Liberty University did a very similar thing That's like a coffee shop blocking some domain on their WiFi -- not even remotely similar to state censorship.
Maybe if the coffee shop blocked a domain that revealed some facts about them that they didn't like.
Re: China Blocks Web Access to The New York Times After Article
#34Well, at least we know the article is telling the truth now.
No. We just know the article is unflattering.
Re: China Blocks Web Access to The New York Times After Article
#35Well, at least we know the article is telling the truth now.
That's a completely illogical conclusion to make. Whether it is true or not, blocking a page does not imply admission of guilt. If the article was complete bullshit, they still would have blocked it. B (Admission of guilt) -> A (Truth) is not the same as A -> B.
I will admit that my reply was a little snarky. But I will tend to presume bodies that engage in widespread censorship are guilty.
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#36Can someone post a mirror or the content of the article? I'm in China.
Dear god, get a VPN. I used strongvpn.com when I lived in China, worked great. There are many others.
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#37The truly sad part of this is most Chinese people wouldn't really mind the site being blocked because of this, nor even be all that surprised to learn what the article said. They don't get offended and angered by their government hiding things from them or abusing their power in the same way people in Western countries do, nor do they have a strong desire to learn the truth. They just accept this as the way things are.
Yes, there are exceptions, but those who feel different are in the minority.
Re: China Blocks Web Access to The New York Times After Article
#38The truly sad part of this is most Chinese people wouldn't really mind the site being blocked because of this, nor even be all that surprised to learn what the article said. They don't get offended and angered by their government hiding things from them or abusing their power in the same way people in Western countries do, nor do they have a strong desire to learn the truth. They just accept this as the way things ar…
Not just in China, I'm sure if this was AlJazeera being blocked in the US the majority of Americans wouldn't care as well.
Re: China Blocks Web Access to The New York Times After Article
#39The truly sad part of this is most Chinese people wouldn't really mind the site being blocked because of this, nor even be all that surprised to learn what the article said. They don't get offended and angered by their government hiding things from them or abusing their power in the same way people in Western countries do, nor do they have a strong desire to learn the truth. They just accept this as the way things ar…
Wow!
You are the first Westerner I've read or come across that has noticed this! Most of them seem to think things like blocking internet sites matter??? To the Chinese... I don't think it does.
There also seems to be this conspiracy thinking going on as well. Chinese people see conspiracies EVERYWHERE. If an article like that is in the NY Times...
Then, to the Chinese mind... It must be the US Government "trying to keep China down."
Seriously. Whenever I'm in Ningbo these days, I just avoid talking about anything remotely political... it is an exercise in frustration.
Sigh...
I suppose we have a Tin Foil Hat crowd over here as well. However, even though in the States I will concede that that crowd is growing, I don't think it is as big percentage wise as in China.
Re: China Blocks Web Access to The New York Times After Article
#40Can someone post a mirror or the content of the article? I'm in China.
Dear god, get a VPN. I used strongvpn.com when I lived in China, worked great. There are many others.
Agreed. I think the set of people who read HN from China and do not have a VPN account would probably consist of just this one person.