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Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by OutOfHere »

jmclnx wrote: post #7

What a surprise, IIRC in Hong Kong there was a platform that was fully decentralized. HK protesters used it on their phones during their uprising and China could not block it. Maybe it is time people move to that. Sadly I forgot its name or where to get it. Of course the app stores could block that too. There is always USENET I guess. I wonder if there are apps on Cell Phones that can access USENET and format the pos…

A centralized platform with marginally cleverer cryptography can technically allow posts and comments to belong to a user, but not be traceable back to the user! When asked by the government who made a particular post or comment, it should not be possible for the platform to readily identify who made it. Of course the IP address should not be tracked either, certainly not beyond 1h. The logged in user would still be able to view and manage all of their posts and comments, also see responses, because they would have the cryptography key to do so. So what about spam and guardrail control -- one solution is to let AI classify it. Much more can be possible with cleverer uses of cryptography. In short, it is not formally necessary to switch to a decentralized or federated solution to address the anonymity issue.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by rzerowan »

api wrote: post #20

Large corporations, especially publicly traded ones, have zero power to resist their sovereign government. Publicly traded companies are heavily regulated and dependent on their stock price, making them trivially vulnerable to political retaliation. I’m not sure why people look to corporations for political resistance. It’s the wrong place to look. They’re not structured for it and it’s not their purpose.

All the more ironic when those selfsame corps act as arms of govenment agaist official enemy governments/people. See the recent brouhaha by Facebok over getting banned from Russia and years previously from China over pretty similar demands.

And the way they all fell inline with sanctioning the ICC (Microsoft/Google) when the only laws in play were US domestic ones being pushed globally.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by ttul »

I wonder how much the tech bros are going to regret having bent over for Trump in 2028 when a Democrat is sitting in the Whitehouse looking at rolling out some retribution using the new legal tools the Trump team succeeded in securing during his second term. We might see some heavy regulation descending onto the industry as a response.

On the other hand, the long term trend of billionaires and large companies getting their way politically will likely continue.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by plagiarist »

ttul wrote: post #33

I wonder how much the tech bros are going to regret having bent over for Trump in 2028 when a Democrat is sitting in the Whitehouse looking at rolling out some retribution using the new legal tools the Trump team succeeded in securing during his second term. We might see some heavy regulation descending onto the industry as a response. On the other hand, the long term trend of billionaires and large companies getting…

"When?" There is still plenty of time for the Reichstag fire.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by like_any_other »

> Unless there’s proof of incitement to violence or a true threat, such expression is protected.

AFAIK the bar is even higher - incitement to violence is allowed, as long as it's not 'imminent': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by arduanika »

Careful before trusting that any of the quotes in this article are real! Default assumption should be that it's all hallucinated unless you've checked it personally. They don't check it in-house.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47013059

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by like_any_other »

fanatic2pope wrote: post #21
tjpnz wrote: post #3

I thought Republicans were for small government and were anti-censorship.

I mean obviously they never were. I think what really surprised people is that it turns out that despite it's supposed "libertarian" roots, the tech community has largely broken hard right authoritarian when the rubber hits the road. Kind of reinforcing the old adage that libertarians are just republicans who want to legally smoke weed.

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Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by amelius »

Tagbert wrote: post #18
dixie_land wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it ever?

The British Government believes it to be secure. That’s why they were asking for a back door.

Brits: can we have access to the backdoor?

Apple: sure, but only if you pretend you didn't get access

Brits: jolly good

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by [deleted] »

tehjoker wrote: post #19
michaelt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I interpret ‘caved’ in this context to mean they’re not gaining much in return - they make a loss by doing this, just they make an even bigger loss if they were targets of a Trump tantrum.

That’s fair, I don’t think the CEOs are fully aligned culturally with Trump but they are sick of pretending to be liberals that care about other people and they want to make more money.

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Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by yoyohello13 »

tehjoker wrote: post #5

All the tech ceos are on the trump train this time around, it was a specific strategy of the trump campaign. Using words like “caved” as though they were pressured and not already aligned with the government is a disservice.

They know what they are doing. To survive as a large entity during this administration you have to kiss the ring. If you don't, you'll get targeted for being 'woke' or whatever. In fact, kissing Trump's ass is more important for success than actually making a good product at this point.

I definitely don't think what these CEOs are doing is moral, but it's certainly rational.

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