> Vim now adheres to the XDG Base Directory Specification,
cool
Vim 9.2
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Re: Vim 9.2
#32I'm glad to see that Vim9 continues to make progress. The center of gravity may have shifted somewhat towards Neovim, but the Neovim ecosystem currently seems targeted towards people who want something more IDE-like. One question is: will more plugin authors move to Vim9Script? It seems that Neovim users have generally moved towards Lua-based plugins, so there's less of a motivation to produce plugins that support bo…
I'm not the target for your question (I distribute 0 plugins). But Lua support in Neovim is the primary reason I moved over from Emacs. Elisp and Vim are both so heart sink for me. That said I'd have preferred something other than Lua if I had the choice.
I wish they supported Janet
Re: Vim 9.2
#33Should stop and help with neovim
This is the perennial argument that IMHO is based on a fallacy. If the vim people suddenly stopped working on vim, it doesn't mean all their effort would go to neovim. People work on what they want to work on in open source. Also the two projects have very different goals/philosophies. The code bases have also gotten pretty different in architecture because neovim did a monstrous refactor. It's open source working as…
I agree with you.
One little thought is, has there been much drama between the vim and neovim communities? (I guess community can be defined broadly enough that the answer to that question is always “yes,” but I haven’t seen much). They both seem completely happy to just do their own thing. I think the perennial argument just exits in the mind of some fans.
It is nice to see a pair of projects with so much potential for competition coexisting peacefully. Plenty of room on the internet I guess.
Re: Vim 9.2
#34Congratulations! >Full support for the Wayland UI I really hope they never deprecate X11 support :) I doubt they will, but if they do, it will leave the BSDs without a good alternative.
Why would they do that? When I started learning VIM more than 20 years ago, one of the main reason was that it (or vi) was already present and installed in every possible Linux system.
Re: Vim 9.2
#35> For over 30 years, Vim has been "Charityware," supporting children in Kibaale, Uganda. Following the passing of Bram Moolenaar, the ICCF Holland foundation was dissolved […] and its remaining funds were transferred to ensure continued support for the Kibaale project. […] Vim remains Charityware. We encourage users to continue supporting the needy children in Uganda through this new transition.
I settled on vim for its technical merits but Bram using his goodwill to fund a charity like this for so long always made me feel good about my choice.
Re: Vim 9.2
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That said I'd have preferred something other than Lua if I had the choice. Same. I know we as a community would never agree on what that language should be, but in my dreams it would have been ruby. Even javascript would have been better for me than Lua.
> Even javascript would have been better for me than Lua. Why?
i’ve written probably north of a million lines of production js, maybe around 100,000 lines of production ruby, and about 300 lines of production lua. lua is a fun language and i think a much better fit than JS for technical reasons (who has a js engine that is both fast and embeds well? nobody), but i am certainly more productive in those other languages where i have more experience.
lua array index starting at 1 gets me at least once whenever i sit down to write a library for my nvim or wezterm.
Re: Vim 9.2
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not the target for your question (I distribute 0 plugins). But Lua support in Neovim is the primary reason I moved over from Emacs. Elisp and Vim are both so heart sink for me. That said I'd have preferred something other than Lua if I had the choice.
I wish they supported Janet
Can you run Fennel in Neovim? It's a Lisp running on Lua. https://fennel-lang.org/
Re: Vim 9.2
#38But where are the AI features?? Gonna get left behind! Only joking of course, actually quite refreshing to see a new version announcement of something this major without any AI nonsense.
:please exit vim now
Re: Vim 9.2
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the perennial argument that IMHO is based on a fallacy. If the vim people suddenly stopped working on vim, it doesn't mean all their effort would go to neovim. People work on what they want to work on in open source. Also the two projects have very different goals/philosophies. The code bases have also gotten pretty different in architecture because neovim did a monstrous refactor. It's open source working as…
I agree with you. One little thought is, has there been much drama between the vim and neovim communities? (I guess community can be defined broadly enough that the answer to that question is always “yes,” but I haven’t seen much). They both seem completely happy to just do their own thing. I think the perennial argument just exits in the mind of some fans. It is nice to see a pair of projects with so much potential…
There was a decent amount of drama in the early days, but at this point it seems like it's gotten pretty friendly.
Re: Vim 9.2
#40But where are the AI features?? Gonna get left behind! Only joking of course, actually quite refreshing to see a new version announcement of something this major without any AI nonsense.
I made a vim extension where you describe the edit/action you want in natural language, and my ollama model thats trained on books like Practical Vim returns the key sequence and you can press e to execute without leaving vim. So you get automation help but also learn the syntax.