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Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder

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Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder

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Post by mingus88 »

JPKab wrote: post #29

Reminder that HN is SV centered and therefore everyone and everything is oriented around tribal group think. Meta was funded by Thiel, yet most of the people in this thread use their products. The CCP has technology that dwarfs Palantir, but a ton of people in this thread use TikTok, because they don't recognize fascism unless it's perpetrated by somebody that looks like the Nazis they see in movies. I grew up around…

Spot on. I wish this site was never associated with the term hacker because under the thin veneer of people doing cool things with tech, there is today nothing more authoritarian, narrow minded, overconfident and establishment than SV tech culture.

Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder

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Post by Etherlord87 »

JPKab wrote: post #29

Reminder that HN is SV centered and therefore everyone and everything is oriented around tribal group think. Meta was funded by Thiel, yet most of the people in this thread use their products. The CCP has technology that dwarfs Palantir, but a ton of people in this thread use TikTok, because they don't recognize fascism unless it's perpetrated by somebody that looks like the Nazis they see in movies. I grew up around…

> Reminder that HN is SV centered and therefore everyone and everything is oriented around tribal group think.

Don't such absolute statements (everyone, everything) remind you of religion as well?

> Meta was funded by Thiel, yet most of the people in this thread use their products.

I imagine it might be as true as:

- most people in this thread also using Discord, despite criticizing it and

- most people using Meta criticize its products.

That is, You can use something and criticize it, and it probably happens both with Discord and e.g. Facebook.

> The CCP[…]

I'm happy to see in the political threads there's very often in the very least a significant presence of critique against China and maybe even overwhelming the defenders of the regime.

> I grew up around brainwashed religious zealots. […] moralistic condemnation […] [HN] looks more and more like that every day.

I think it's good religious zealots don't have the monopoly on moralistic condemnation. Just because A is bad, and B has feature x just like A, doesn't mean the feature x is bad.

> Meanwhile, Discord will not have the slightest tiny drop in user numbers, because nobody outside of this moralistic circle jerk cares.

Discord is not going to delete users, and few people care to request their account to be deleted. If Discord asked me to provide ID, I'd probably at least try to resist by not using it and maybe eventually succumb by providing a fake ID - but as far as I know, Discord will just set my account to a teenager mode, so instead of speaking about a drop in user numbers, we should speak about a drop of activity in adult interactions (or interactions/activity in general) on Discord.

Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder

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Post by collingreen »

JPKab wrote: post #29

Reminder that HN is SV centered and therefore everyone and everything is oriented around tribal group think. Meta was funded by Thiel, yet most of the people in this thread use their products. The CCP has technology that dwarfs Palantir, but a ton of people in this thread use TikTok, because they don't recognize fascism unless it's perpetrated by somebody that looks like the Nazis they see in movies. I grew up around…

> Constantly condemning people they don't know and have never met and don't understand.

> therefore everyone and everything is oriented around tribal group think

You can be more convincing if you don't group everyone into one bucket and throw insults at it.

A reader can pull your claims out - meta bad, thiel bad, ccp bad, sheeple bad - but there isn't anything substantive there (WHY are these bad; it's all ad hominem so far) and we have to sift through a bunch of insults in order to do it ( 1. Tribal group thinkers. 2. Can't recognize fascism. 3. Looking like religious zealots blindly condemning people we don't know. 4. Going to downvote without thinking or participating.)

Your comment looks a LOT like insult #3 up there, with some whining thrown in on top.

If you want a substantive conversation or debate about the different facets of data privacy then lay the groundwork with some good faith place to start. If you instead just post mini screeds pre-insulting everyone then lamenting that nobody engages then nothing is going to change for you.

Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder

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Post by soupbowl »

remslave wrote: post #9

Matrix/Element seems the best drop-in replacement for Discord. Can set up chatrooms in Discord "server"-style, or as persistent DMs with others. In the chatrooms, you can make text chat spaces and call spaces. No dedicated voice chat space, you just dont turn on webcam for the call spaces. Pretty sure it uses same voip tech. Selfhostable if you want. Encrypted. Really it is just a barebones but functional Discord. Ma…

I like matrix and use it but it is no where near a Discord replacement. Setting up the modern Matrix auth and call are not easy and its just not as good or easy as Discord.

Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder

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Post by culi »

hackable_sand wrote: post #19
conception wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stoat, Zulip, and Mattermost are other options. Element was a bit too raw for me - mobile wasn’t great either. Ymmv

Zulip is definitely not an alternative to discord but I'll check out the others.

I don't see why not. I like Zulip. Its is self-hostable and OSS and they're the only ones who have "public channels" that allow your channels to be indexable by search engines on the internet if you want. One of the biggest complaints I hear on HN is how Discord killed the openness of the internet that forum-based communities supported

I wish more communities used Zulip.

Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder

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Post by culi »

foxrider wrote: post #13
conception wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stoat, Zulip, and Mattermost are other options. Element was a bit too raw for me - mobile wasn’t great either. Ymmv

For mobile, you can use FluffyChat, it's another Matrix app

There's Element for mobile too. More complete list of clients here

https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/

Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder

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Post by OutOfHere »

Madmallard wrote: post #24

Something I don't quite understand about this Discord fiasco. Every single thing you ever put into discord via text or voice has already and was already being sold to advertisers. If you were ever logged into Google simultaneously while on Discord it's already linked up to the real information they have about you. I've just seen numerous things I've talked about or typed about with friends promptly appear on my YouTu…

Advertisers versus law enforcement... they're entirely separate concerns. The former cannot lock you up; the latter can.

Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder

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Post by hackable_sand »

viraptor wrote: post #22
hackable_sand wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zulip is definitely not an alternative to discord but I'll check out the others.

There are different types of communities on discord. Zulip will be a good idea for some of them.

Fair enough

Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder

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Post by happymellon »

conception wrote: post #10
remslave wrote: post #9

Matrix/Element seems the best drop-in replacement for Discord. Can set up chatrooms in Discord "server"-style, or as persistent DMs with others. In the chatrooms, you can make text chat spaces and call spaces. No dedicated voice chat space, you just dont turn on webcam for the call spaces. Pretty sure it uses same voip tech. Selfhostable if you want. Encrypted. Really it is just a barebones but functional Discord. Ma…

Stoat, Zulip, and Mattermost are other options. Element was a bit too raw for me - mobile wasn’t great either. Ymmv

Hasn't Mattermost already done one bait and switch?

I don't use it but IIRC there was an uproar a couple of months ago about them just switching up message history and deleting conversations.

Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder

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Post by dang »

intermerda wrote: post #7
ipaddr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must be new the internet was toxic before their was an internet. I've seen BBS fights where people would find out where someone lived and shoot up the place, set it on fire or attack another person. Some BBS scenes attracted some shady characters.

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