Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

fortune.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 309 posts

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

#31

Post by joe_mamba »

faragon wrote: post #7

With the workforce may happen like with DRAM and NAND flash memories: unexpected demand in one side leaving without enough offer in other sides.

Doubt it. Unless we go through another decade of ZIRP tied to a newly invented hyped technology that lacks specialists, and discovering new untapped markets, there's not gonna be any massive demand spike of junior labor in tech that can't be met causing wages to shoot up.

The "learn to code" saga has run its course. Coder is the new factory worker job where I live, a commodity.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

#32

Post by Insanity »

alienbaby wrote: post #19

"software engineers will spend less time on routine coding—and more on interacting with customers" Ahh, what could possibly go wrong!

Customer interaction has imo always been one of the most important parts in good engineering organizations. Delegating that to Product Managers adds unnecessary friction.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

#33

Post by Insanity »

Nextgrid wrote: post #21
alienbaby wrote: post #19

"software engineers will spend less time on routine coding—and more on interacting with customers" Ahh, what could possibly go wrong!

Why is that bad? You write better code when you actually understand the business domain and the requirement. It's much easier to understand it when you get it direct from the source than filtered down through dozens of product managers and JIRA tickets.

Not sure why this is being downvoted. It’s spot on imo. Engineers who don’t want to understand the domain and the customers won’t be as effective in an engineering organization as those who do.

It always baffles me when someone wants to only think about the code as if it exists in a vacuum. (Although for junior engineers it’s a bit more acceptable than for senior engineers).

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

#36

Post by kjkjadksj »

thaway123123 wrote: post #5

Is this for their in-house development or for their consulting services? Because the latter would still be indicative of AI hurting entry level hiring since it may signal that other firms are not really willing to hire a full time entry level employee whose job may be obsoleted by AI, and paying for a consultant from IBM may be a lower risk alternative in case AI doesn't pan out.

One might ask what value seniors hold if their expertise of the junior stage is obsolete. Maybe the new junior will just be reigning in llm that does the work and senior level knowledge and compensation rots away as those people retire without replacement.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

#37

Post by roenxi »

Insanity wrote: post #30
xenospn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Amazon bring on a full-time consultant instead of just hiring you?

My partner is also a consultant and one client was Google. I’m also confused about the exact reason why they didn’t just hire someone.

"You see we leased this back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account."

~ Monty Python, Meaning of Line (1983), on The Machine that Goes Ping.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

#38

Post by raw_anon_1111 »

xenospn wrote: post #15
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if it is for consulting, I doubt very serious they will based in the US. You can’t be priced competitive hiring an entry level consultant in the US and no company is willing to pay the bill rate for US based entry level consultants unless their email address is @amazon.com or @google.com. Source: current (full time) staff consultant at a third party cloud consulting firm and former consultant (full time) at Amazo…

Why would Amazon bring on a full-time consultant instead of just hiring you?

I worked internally at AWS Professional Services - their internal consulting department - every AWS ProServe employee is a “blue badge” employee with the same initial four year offer structure of base + prorated signing bonus + RSUs (5/15/40/40). Google also has a large internal consulting department for GCP.

I can’t fault you for not knowing AWS ProServe exists. I didn’t know either until a recruiter reached out to me.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

#39

Post by raw_anon_1111 »

Insanity wrote: post #30
xenospn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Amazon bring on a full-time consultant instead of just hiring you?

My partner is also a consultant and one client was Google. I’m also confused about the exact reason why they didn’t just hire someone.

No that’s not what I meant at all. Amazon Professional Services are made up of full time “blue badge” employees who get the same type of base + bonus + RSUs that all other blue badge employees get.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

#40

Post by nomilk »

The title could be dead wrong; the tripling of junior jobs might not be due to the limits of AI, but because of AI increasing the productivity of juniors to that of a mid or senior (or at least 2-3x-ing the output of juniors), thus making hiring juniors an appealing prospect to increase the company's output relative to competitors who aren't hiring in response to AI tech improvements. Hope this is the case and hope it happens across broadly across the economy. While the gutter press fear mongers of job losses, if AI makes the average employee much more useful (even if its via newly created roles), it's conceivable there's a jobs/salaries boom, including among those who 'lose their job' and move into a new one!
Post reply on HN