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CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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Re: CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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The targets for the AI are still set by humans, the data the AI was trained on is still created by humans. Involving a computer in the system doesn't magically make it less biased.

That is true for now, but eventually it should be possible for it to be more autonomous without needing humans to set its target.

Re: CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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Don't we already have facial recognition technology that isn't based on AI? why is throwing AI into the mix suddenly a reasonable product? Liability wavers?

I think the facial rec systems you're thinking of will recognize faces, but not ID them. They need you to label a face, and then it recognizes that face with a name from there on. Clearview is different in that you can provide it an unknown face and it returns a name. Whether it's just some ML based AI vs an LLM, it's still under the AI umbrella technically.

Re: CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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And this right here is why Clearview (and others) should have been torn apart back when they first appeared on stage. I 'member people who warned about something like this having the potential to be abused for/by the government, we were ridiculed at best, and look where we are now, a couple of years later.

"This cannot happen here" should be classified as a logical fallacy.

As stated in many of the comments in my code where some else branch claims this shouldn't be happening

Re: CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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Wear a face mask in public. Got it.

Aren't we back to where this is illegal again, unless you're an ICE agent.

"Hey man, doctor's orders. Gotta wear it to get allergy relief. And no, can't ask about it... HIPAA stuff."

Re: CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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Wear a face mask in public. Got it.

I think anything short of fully obscuring your face (a-la ICE-agent/stormtrooper) will be merely a mitigation and not 100% successful. I recall articles talking about face recognition being used "successfully" on people wearing surgical masks in China. In the US they ask you to remove face masks in places where face recognition is used (at the border, TSA checkpoints), but would be unsurprised if that isn't strictly needed in most cases (but asking people to remove it preemptively ends up being faster for throughput).

Re: CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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Don't we already have facial recognition technology that isn't based on AI? why is throwing AI into the mix suddenly a reasonable product? Liability wavers?

After the literal first one which just measured distance between nose and mouth and stuff like that from the 1960s, everything else has been based on AI.

If my memory serves me, we had a PCA and LDA based one in the 90s and then the 2000s we had a lot of hand-woven adaboosts and (non AI)SIFTs. This is where 3D sensors proved useful, and is the basis for all scifi potrayals of facial recognition(a surface depth map drawn on the face).

In the 2010s, when deep learning became feasible, facial recognition as well as all other AI started using an end to end neural network. This is what is used to this day. It is the first iteration pretty much to work flawlessly regardless of lighting, angle and what not. [1]

Note about the terms AI, ML, Signal processing:

In any given era:

- whatever data-fitting/function approximation method is the latest one is typically called AI.

- the previous generation one is called ML

- the really old now boring ones are called signal processing

Sometimes the calling-it-ML stage is skipped.

[1] All data fitting methods are only as good as the data. Most of these were trained on caucasian people initially so many of them were not as good for other people. These days the ones deployed by Google photos and stuff of course works for other races as well, but many models don't.

Re: CBP signs Clearview AI deal to use face recognition for 'tactical targeting'

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Don't we already have facial recognition technology that isn't based on AI? why is throwing AI into the mix suddenly a reasonable product? Liability wavers?

I think the facial rec systems you're thinking of will recognize faces, but not ID them. They need you to label a face, and then it recognizes that face with a name from there on. Clearview is different in that you can provide it an unknown face and it returns a name. Whether it's just some ML based AI vs an LLM, it's still under the AI umbrella technically.

Uh no? Facial recognition to names has been the bread and butter of facial recognition since the beginning. It’s literally the point.
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