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Audio is the one area small labs are winning

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imo audio DSP experts are diametrically opposed to AI on moral grounds. Good luck hiring the good ones. It's like paying doctors to design guns.

Not sure your analogy works, Guantanamo had no trouble hiring medical personnel

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Can someone reccomend to me: a service that will generate a loopable engine drone for a "WWII Plane Japan Kawasaki Ki-61"? It doesn't have to be perfect, just convincing in a hollywood blockbuster context, and not just a warmed over clone of a Merlin engine sound. Turns out Suno will make whatever background music I need, but I want a "unique sound effect on demand" service. I'm not convinced voice AI stuff is sustai…

https://elevenlabs.io/sound-effects

With the prompt "WWII Plane Japan Kawasaki Ki-61 flying by, propeller airplane" and setting looping on and 30 sec duration manually instead of auto (the duration predictor fails pretty bad at this prompt, you need to be logged in to set duration manually) it works pretty well. No idea if it's close to that specific airplane though it sounds like a ww2 plane to me though.

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I refuse to believe that none of these people ever heard of Nyquist, and that noone was able to come up with "ayyy lmao let's put a low pass on this before downsampling".

Edit: 2 day old account posting stuff that doesn't pass the sniff test. Hmmmm... baited by a bot?

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I refuse to believe that none of these people ever heard of Nyquist, and that noone was able to come up with "ayyy lmao let's put a low pass on this before downsampling". Edit: 2 day old account posting stuff that doesn't pass the sniff test. Hmmmm... baited by a bot?

in ~30 years of my work in DSP domain, I've seen insane amount of ways to do signal processing wrong even for simplest things like passing a buffer and doing resampling.

The last example I've seen in one large company, done by a developer lacking audio/DSP experience: they used ffmpeg's resampling lib, but, after every 10ms audio frame processed by resampler, they'd invoke flush(), just for the sake of convenience of having the same number of input and output buffers ... :)

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OpenAI being the death star and audio AI being the rebels is such a weird comparison, like what? Wouldn't the real rebels be the ones running their own models locally?

True, but there's a fun irony: the Rebels' X-Wings are powered by GPUs from a company that's... checks relationships ...also supplying the Empire. NVIDIA's basically the galaxy's most successful arms dealer, selling to both sides while convincing everyone they're just "enabling innovation." The real rebels would be training audio models on potato-patched RP2040s. Brave souls, if they exist.

The company behind the T-65B X-Wing, Incom Corporation, did supply the Empire, as they did the Republic Navy before. By 0 BBY, Incom was nationalized by the Imperials. The X-Wing became the mainstay Alliance fighter because the plans were stolen by some defecting Incom engineers.

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OpenAI being the death star and audio AI being the rebels is such a weird comparison, like what? Wouldn't the real rebels be the ones running their own models locally?

I had a different issue with the metaphor - shouldn't OpenAI be the empire? The death star would be the thing they created, i.e. ChatGPT.

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My understanding is that this is purely a strategic choice by the bigger labs. When OpenAI released Whisper, it was by far best-in-class, and they haven't released any major upgrades since then. It's been 3.5 years... Whisper is older than ChatGPT.

Gemini 3 Pro Preview has superlative audio listening comprehension. If I send it a recording of myself in a car, with me talking, and another passenger talking to the driver, and the radio playing, me in English, the radio in Portuguese, and the driver+passenger in Spanish, Gemini can parse all 4 audio streams as well as other background noises and give a translation for each one, including figuring out which voice belongs to which person, and what everyone's names are (if it's possible to figure that out from the conversation).

I'm sure it would have superlative audio generation capabilities too, if such a feature were enabled.

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