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> People learn conflict resolution by watching others, and that goes for kids. As someone that grew up watching my parents fight constantly in front of me, I still react to confrontation the same way as your friend. Their fighting frightened me because he was physical, so when I get into [really] overheated situations, I shut down instead because that seems safer to me than risking pressing forward. In situations whe…
> Their fighting frightened me because he was physical Arguing and abuse are two separate things. Watching my parents fight, often over incredibly stupid things using irrational tactics, taught me worlds about the values of patience, understanding, and rationality.
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#32Don’t poop with the bathroom door open. What? Who does this? Why would this ever be ok?
My SO and I do this. What's wrong with pooping with the door open? We all poop. It's not that big a deal.
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#34Never argue in front of the kids You know, I have some experience with this. I had a friend in college that had parents that never once argued in front of him. Not once. This guy was completely unable to resolve any conflicts. You know what? People learn conflict resolution by watching others, and that goes for kids. To give more details about my friend, he was a really nice guy, but he avoided confrontation like the…
[1]the one time we ever saw them fight, it was about the dishes, and the 4 of us kids were all so distraught about it we went into a corner and cried together while they fought. I remember it vividly.
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#35Don’t poop with the bathroom door open. What? Who does this? Why would this ever be ok?
My SO and I do this. What's wrong with pooping with the door open? We all poop. It's not that big a deal.
For most people, the answer is "no" in all those cases, because most people nowadays do not find the sight of pooping people appealing. Thus, when one does poop with the door open when their SO is around, but does not do so when others are around, the message one is sending is that the SO does not deserve the common courtesy that other people do, that the SO has become just a fixture around the house or perhaps a pet.
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#36 1. Don't stop holding her hand
2. Don't stop trying to be attractive
3. Don't always point out her weaknesses
4. Don't stop cooking for her
5. Don't yell at your spouse
6. Don't call names
7. Don't be stingy with your money
8. Don't argue in front of the kids
9. Don't encourage each other to skip working out
10. Don't poop with the bathroom door open
11. Don't stop kissing her
12. Don't stop having fun together
13. Don't pressure each other
14. Don't label each other with negative labels
15. Don't skip out on things that are important to her
16. Don't emotionally distance yourself after a fight
Having wrecked a good number of serious relationships in my time, I really feel those are just symptoms of underlying problems that can't be corrected by adhering to lists. There seem to be categories of things going wrong and a lot of these points are redundant in that context. Maybe the message should not be primarily that relationships require work, but that they often need to run better algorithms. People need to make more of an effort to see the world through their partners' eyes, but they also need to establish a clearer understanding about their own goals and feelings.Holding hands (1), cooking for each other (4), kissing (11), having fun (12) - those are kind of obvious relationship indicators and they should not be items on a to do list. If they don't happen there are underlying causes such as lack of time, stress, apathy, or a general lack of affection.
Making an effort to be desirable (2), working out (9), not pooping publicly (10, WTF?!?) are general maintenance problems related to attractiveness, and they're kind of obvious.
The highly redundant items pertaining to not being a total dick (3, 5, 6, 13, 14) look like they might happen increasingly when the relationship has already entered failure mode.
Emotional distance (16) is what you're supposed to feel after a serious fight. Effort should go into addressing the issues leading to the fight, as well as the behavior of both people during the actual confrontation. If you feel distance after the "battle", that means the war is not over and you have a serious problem there that can't be addressed by simply forcing yourself to not feel distant anymore.
Finally, 15, skipping out on activities that are important to your partner. Well, I think it's important that both partners remain full individuals even during a relationship. Shared interests and activities are great, and it does make sense to attend stuff for the sake of your better half sometimes. However, if there are things one party doesn't like to do at all, there should always be a way to opt out peacefully. Attending stuff you don't like won't do anyone any favors in the long run, it's not healthy or sustainable.
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#37Don’t poop with the bathroom door open. What? Who does this? Why would this ever be ok?
My SO and I do this. What's wrong with pooping with the door open? We all poop. It's not that big a deal.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Their fighting frightened me because he was physical Arguing and abuse are two separate things. Watching my parents fight, often over incredibly stupid things using irrational tactics, taught me worlds about the values of patience, understanding, and rationality.
I just don't think this is universal. Even if he didn't hit her, their issues were always unresolved and their situation never got better, even after counseling.
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#39Never argue in front of the kids You know, I have some experience with this. I had a friend in college that had parents that never once argued in front of him. Not once. This guy was completely unable to resolve any conflicts. You know what? People learn conflict resolution by watching others, and that goes for kids. To give more details about my friend, he was a really nice guy, but he avoided confrontation like the…