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How I Blew My Marriage

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Re: How I Blew My Marriage

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People learn conflict resolution by watching others, and that goes for kids. As someone that grew up watching my parents fight constantly in front of me, I still react to confrontation the same way as your friend. Their fighting frightened me because he was physical, so when I get into [really] overheated situations, I shut down instead because that seems safer to me than risking pressing forward. In situations whe…

> Their fighting frightened me because he was physical Arguing and abuse are two separate things. Watching my parents fight, often over incredibly stupid things using irrational tactics, taught me worlds about the values of patience, understanding, and rationality.

I just don't think this is universal. Even if he didn't hit her, their issues were always unresolved and their situation never got better, even after counseling.

Re: How I Blew My Marriage

#32

Don’t poop with the bathroom door open. What? Who does this? Why would this ever be ok?

My SO and I do this. What's wrong with pooping with the door open? We all poop. It's not that big a deal.

It think this should be extrapolated as follows: "If you have a particular personal hygiene habit that drives your SO crazy, then avoid it, for their sakes."

Re: How I Blew My Marriage

#34
post #6

Never argue in front of the kids You know, I have some experience with this. I had a friend in college that had parents that never once argued in front of him. Not once. This guy was completely unable to resolve any conflicts. You know what? People learn conflict resolution by watching others, and that goes for kids. To give more details about my friend, he was a really nice guy, but he avoided confrontation like the…

fwiw, my parents NEVER argued in front of me and my 3 siblings[1], but I'm confrontational to a fault. I suppose the only difference could be that I had 3 siblings, and my parents took a "let them workout their own fights" approach which, with 3 siblings (all within 7 years of each other), will teach you how to deal with confrontation real fast.

[1]the one time we ever saw them fight, it was about the dishes, and the 4 of us kids were all so distraught about it we went into a corner and cried together while they fought. I remember it vividly.

Re: How I Blew My Marriage

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Don’t poop with the bathroom door open. What? Who does this? Why would this ever be ok?

My SO and I do this. What's wrong with pooping with the door open? We all poop. It's not that big a deal.

When you were a teenager living with your parents, did you poop with the door open? Did your parents poop with the door open? When a friend or coworker is visiting at your place, do you poop with the door open?

For most people, the answer is "no" in all those cases, because most people nowadays do not find the sight of pooping people appealing. Thus, when one does poop with the door open when their SO is around, but does not do so when others are around, the message one is sending is that the SO does not deserve the common courtesy that other people do, that the SO has become just a fixture around the house or perhaps a pet.

Re: How I Blew My Marriage

#36
For people (like me) who hate pagination:

  1. Don't stop holding her hand
  2. Don't stop trying to be attractive
  3. Don't always point out her weaknesses
  4. Don't stop cooking for her
  5. Don't yell at your spouse
  6. Don't call names
  7. Don't be stingy with your money
  8. Don't argue in front of the kids
  9. Don't encourage each other to skip working out
  10. Don't poop with the bathroom door open
  11. Don't stop kissing her
  12. Don't stop having fun together
  13. Don't pressure each other
  14. Don't label each other with negative labels
  15. Don't skip out on things that are important to her
  16. Don't emotionally distance yourself after a fight
Having wrecked a good number of serious relationships in my time, I really feel those are just symptoms of underlying problems that can't be corrected by adhering to lists. There seem to be categories of things going wrong and a lot of these points are redundant in that context. Maybe the message should not be primarily that relationships require work, but that they often need to run better algorithms. People need to make more of an effort to see the world through their partners' eyes, but they also need to establish a clearer understanding about their own goals and feelings.

Holding hands (1), cooking for each other (4), kissing (11), having fun (12) - those are kind of obvious relationship indicators and they should not be items on a to do list. If they don't happen there are underlying causes such as lack of time, stress, apathy, or a general lack of affection.

Making an effort to be desirable (2), working out (9), not pooping publicly (10, WTF?!?) are general maintenance problems related to attractiveness, and they're kind of obvious.

The highly redundant items pertaining to not being a total dick (3, 5, 6, 13, 14) look like they might happen increasingly when the relationship has already entered failure mode.

Emotional distance (16) is what you're supposed to feel after a serious fight. Effort should go into addressing the issues leading to the fight, as well as the behavior of both people during the actual confrontation. If you feel distance after the "battle", that means the war is not over and you have a serious problem there that can't be addressed by simply forcing yourself to not feel distant anymore.

Finally, 15, skipping out on activities that are important to your partner. Well, I think it's important that both partners remain full individuals even during a relationship. Shared interests and activities are great, and it does make sense to attend stuff for the sake of your better half sometimes. However, if there are things one party doesn't like to do at all, there should always be a way to opt out peacefully. Attending stuff you don't like won't do anyone any favors in the long run, it's not healthy or sustainable.

Re: How I Blew My Marriage

#37

Don’t poop with the bathroom door open. What? Who does this? Why would this ever be ok?

My SO and I do this. What's wrong with pooping with the door open? We all poop. It's not that big a deal.

Because I don't enjoy looking upon the love of my life while disgorging some fiery, hot aftermath from last night's thai takeout?

Re: How I Blew My Marriage

#38
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their fighting frightened me because he was physical Arguing and abuse are two separate things. Watching my parents fight, often over incredibly stupid things using irrational tactics, taught me worlds about the values of patience, understanding, and rationality.

I just don't think this is universal. Even if he didn't hit her, their issues were always unresolved and their situation never got better, even after counseling.

It's anecdotal at best. Not only it can't be generalized, at different ages the outcome may be a lot different. Kids need a certain level of maturity to understand properly conflicts and learn conflict resolution otherwise they simply feel them as a crack in their world. There are not fast and hard rules here, every kid/situation may be quite different...

Re: How I Blew My Marriage

#39
post #6

Never argue in front of the kids You know, I have some experience with this. I had a friend in college that had parents that never once argued in front of him. Not once. This guy was completely unable to resolve any conflicts. You know what? People learn conflict resolution by watching others, and that goes for kids. To give more details about my friend, he was a really nice guy, but he avoided confrontation like the…

Agreed completely. Great writeup on that topic (which was posted here a while back)

http://www.figarospeech.com/teach-a-kid-to-argue/

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