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The US is flirting with its first-ever population decline

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Re: The US is flirting with its first-ever population decline

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go back to the incel corners pls and keep this kind of misogynist rhetoric out of here

But it's objective!! You can objectively measure the value of people. We could just plug people's value into a database and let AI do the match-making. People don't have to be involved in the decision-making. Especially not female people!

/s

Re: The US is flirting with its first-ever population decline

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Maybe if young folks could afford housing they'd have kids...there's a thought.

If that were true then we would expect to see a positive correlation between income and family size, but households making 500k are basically the same size as households making 50k.

Your specific claim may indeed be true, but it's misleading. The relationship between income and children is U-shaped. From middle incomes to higher incomes, fertility rises. It is also important to point out that income is tied to other factors in America. You're going to disproportionately find your $500k earners in a handful of superstar coastal cities. Those things need to be controlled for if you want to isolate the effect of income on family size.

Re: The US is flirting with its first-ever population decline

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that, but also men in their 20s and 30s refusing to settle down, and wasting with gaming, entertainment, and porn (and caling women that are objectively their equal, or even much superior "mid").

i know almost zero men that dont want a girlfriend, many are trying

Re: The US is flirting with its first-ever population decline

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interesting thing is this is Spain's second wave of doing this, and the economic studies on the first wave of it showed visibly positive results. Spain's economy moved in growth, and with a size larger than many other European nations in similar background conditions of flat to negative population growth, but tighter immigration allowances.

Spains youth is everywhere in europe but in spain? That economy sounds like a warzone from what they tell..

You're mentally stuck in 2009-2015. The world has moved on and Spain is now significantly outperforming Germany in growth (obviously not yet in wealth, which is the integral of growth over much longer time periods). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-YZeqk8NCQ&t=456s

Re: The US is flirting with its first-ever population decline

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Maybe if young folks could afford housing they'd have kids...there's a thought.

Is housing really that expensive? When you price out a loan on a starter house it really ain't that bad. I'm a recent first time homebuyer and I don't understand why people think they aren't affordable. There were plenty of cheaper homes that I looked at and even with rates at their highest would be cheaper than my rent.

Do people expect a palace? Are there more unmarried people today who can't afford it alone?

Re: The US is flirting with its first-ever population decline

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Why do we obsess over growing everything all the time?

We need young people to pay for old people retirement (economically speaking, someone has to be working when someone else is just eating).

We need young people to pay for the billionaire subsidies (economically speaking, someone has to accumulate all that profit and it's not going be us)

Re: The US is flirting with its first-ever population decline

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Why do we obsess over growing everything all the time?

We need young people to pay for old people retirement (economically speaking, someone has to be working when someone else is just eating).

I really hope that automation and robotics will _finally_ allow us to invert the pyramid.

Re: The US is flirting with its first-ever population decline

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

go back to the incel corners pls and keep this kind of misogynist rhetoric out of here

But it's objective !! You can objectively measure the value of people. We could just plug people's value into a database and let AI do the match-making. People don't have to be involved in the decision-making. Especially not female people! /s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy

Re: The US is flirting with its first-ever population decline

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Sounds hellish. "His administration is focused on delivering on his promise to reduce the immigrant population and argues, despite the protestations of economists, that doing so will mean greater opportunities and wages for native-born workers and will reduce the cost of everything from housing to health care by reducing demand. “There is no shortage of American minds and hands to grow our labor force, and President…

“There is no shortage of American minds and hands to grow our labor force" - amazing that you can get people to believe that. There is a massive shortage of labor and the labor force participation rate is already dangerously high.

LOL. There is no labour shortage. There is only a shortage at a particular price point.

If there is such a labour shortage, what explains the layoffs?

Re: The US is flirting with its first-ever population decline

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Maybe if young folks could afford housing they'd have kids...there's a thought.

I think the "cost of living" explanation for low birthrates is just wrong, and not even plausible (anecdote: my grandmother had 17 siblings, and they could not even afford proper sunday shoes for all of them, much less current living standards). I think the biggest impact is from kids being obsolete/net negative as both workforce (when young) and retirement scheme (when the parents are old). But there is no reverting…

>I think the "cost of living" explanation for low birthrates is just wrong

If you're demanding it be all-or-nothing, then sure it is "wrong". It obviously isn't the only reason. As countries get richer, people have fewer kids.

Is it a factor? Of course it is. Children are incredibly expensive if you subscribe to modern norms and expectations. There are many, many, many people who want kids but can't afford it, and if they do have a kid it's prohibitive having more than 1. Two is basically financial suicide for many. And to be clear, I have four children which is a luxury of being in a financially rewarding career at the right time, but even still it was unbelievably tough making it happen.

"anecdote: my grandmother had 17 siblings"

Standards change. You understand that, right? If you're middle class in 2026, the expectations around having and raising a child are very, very different from someone sixty years ago. People generally aren't keen on having six kids sharing a room these days. Even bunkbeds are considered poor by many. Now since both parents will have to work, account for childcare, massive vehicles, education savings, and so on.

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