And this gamble is paid for by American taxpayers, increased cost of utilities, and multibillion dollar corporations receiving tax breaks/subsidies from the cities/counties they build in. This country is so awful. Great if you are rich. Awful if you are not in this top 0.01-1%. A massive $79T has been transferred from bottom 90% to top 1% since the 1970s. [1] [1] https://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/WRA516-2.html
> A massive $79T has been transferred from bottom 90% to top 1% since the 1970s This assertion is based on comparing reality with a counterfactual where income distributions remained static from 1975 to the present. Real median personal income roughly doubled over this time period. The use of the word "transferred" seems a little intellectually dishonest here. The use of the counterfactual seems to suggest that incom…
America's $1T AI Gamble
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Re: America's $1T AI Gamble
#32AI plans are not going to stay at $20/mo. People will go to alternative models, but it likely will be as popular as Linux.
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#33AI plans are not going to stay at $20/mo. People will go to alternative models, but it likely will be as popular as Linux.
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#36And this gamble is paid for by American taxpayers, increased cost of utilities, and multibillion dollar corporations receiving tax breaks/subsidies from the cities/counties they build in. This country is so awful. Great if you are rich. Awful if you are not in this top 0.01-1%. A massive $79T has been transferred from bottom 90% to top 1% since the 1970s. [1] [1] https://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/WRA516-2.html
Not to mention all the land being gobbled up to build these data centers.
What's the alternative ?
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#37A $1T investment needs to produce on the order of $100B in yearly earnings to be a good investment.
Global GDP is about $100T.
So one way for things to work out for the AI companies would be if AI raises GDP by 1% and the AI companies capture 10% of the created value.
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#38I’m not certain of the conclusion - I think a lot depends on amortization schedules - if data centers are fully booked right now, then we don’t need very long amortization schedules at the reported 60+% margin on inference to see this capex fully paid off.
My prior is that we are seeing something like 1/10,000th or so of the reasonable inference demand the world has fulfilled. There’s a note in the analysis that might back this - it says that we are seeing one of the only times ever where hardware prices are rising over time. Combined with spot prices at lambda labs (still quite high I’d say), it doesn’t look like we’re seeing a drop in inference demand.
Under those circumstances, the first phases of this bet, cross-industry, look like they will pay off. If that’s true, as an investment strategy, I’d just buy the basket - oAI, Anthropic, GOOG, META, SpaceX, MSFT, probably even Oracle, and wait. We’ll either get the rotating state of the art frontier capacity we’ve gotten in the last 18 months, or one of those will have lift off.
Of those, I think MSFT is the value play - they’re down something like 20% in the last six months? Satya’s strategy seems very sensible to me - slow hyperscale buildouts in the US (lots of competition) and do them everywhere else in the world (still not much competition). For countries that can’t build their own frontier models, the next best thing is going to be running them in local datacenters; MSFT has long standing operational bases everywhere in the world, it’s arguably one of their differentiators compared to GOOG/META.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know about you, but I benefit so much from using Claude at work that I would gladly pay $1,500-$2,000 per month to keep using it.
I use my brain, it's free
The future is here and it's time to stop ignoring it.
Your analog 1x productivity is worthless in comparison to my AI backed 10x productivity.
Re: America's $1T AI Gamble
#40AI plans are not going to stay at $20/mo. People will go to alternative models, but it likely will be as popular as Linux.
1. Models become commodities and immensely cheaper to operate for inference as a result of some future innovation. This would presumably be very bad for the handful of companies who have invested that $1T and want to recoup that, but great for those of us who love cheap inference.
2. #1 doesn't happen and the model providers start begin to feel empowered to pass the true cost of training + inference down to the model consumer. We start paying thousands of dollars per month for model usage and the price gate blocks out most people from reaping the benefits of bleeding-edge AI, instead being locked into cheaper models that are just there to extract cash by selling them things.
Personally I'm leaning toward #1. Future models near as good as the absolute best will get far cheaper to train, and new techniques and specialized inference chips will make them much cheaper to use. It isn't hard for me to imagine another Deepseek moment in the not-so-distant future. Perhaps Anthropic is thinking the same thing given the rumors that they are rumored to be pushing toward an IPO as early as this year.