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Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Due process under the US Constitution protects everyone in the US, not just US citizens.

Actually, thanks to the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 that's not exactly true anymore.

You can be detained and deported without first seeing a judge.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Where did it say he arrived illegally? Sounds like he’s awaiting Adjustment of Status based on family ties from getting married but doesn’t say what his status was before

I agree that it doesn't say that in the article, but on the other hand, he admits having been here for 20 years. That definitely implies that he is here illegally and knew it. He likely would get denied a green card as a result of that choice. As much as I loathe everything about how ICE is conducting their activities these days, this case does not seem like a good candidate for sympathy, it does not look like injust…

What harm was he doing being here for 20 years? Was he engaged in criminal activities? If not, then I just don't see the point in detaining people who have a life here. Have him jump through the hoops to acquire legal status, that's fine. But deportation is cruel. The US is not in danger of being overpopulated. The whole narrative of dangerous illegals over running the country is a far-right boogey man.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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This Irish man would probably prefer to be removed from the property (country), instead of being indefinitely detained waiting for a trial whose outcome is already known. The 6th Amendment of the US contains a right to a speedy trial. Otherwise, every arrest can become a life sentence if no trial is ever held.

The article says he refused to sign the deportation paperwork, does that not mean that his continued detention is a choice under his control? He could agree to return to Ireland and they would put him on a plane.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Due process under the US Constitution protects everyone in the US, not just US citizens.

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Not sure if this is intentional ragebait

@rayiner Do you understand that justifying his 5 month detention without due process means you are justifying your own 5 month detention without due process?

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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> But U.S. law prohibits illegal immigrants from getting a green card Your link and quote does not support this specific claim. The law linked is about naturalization and not about being granted permanent resident status.

Sorry, you're right. The provision that applies that to green cards is 8 USC 1255. There was a Supreme Court case about this recently: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-315_q713.pdf

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Due process under the US Constitution protects everyone in the US, not just US citizens.

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It is hard to conceive of five months as "speedy" if someone is being detained for the duration.

Also: a nation is not a private residence. That's an analogy that irritates me when I see it.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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The correct approach to do this is the K-1 visa. Anything else is a loophole or fraud. This guy thought he could lie and defraud his way to a visa without doing it properly. Another alternative is the CR-1 visa, also a legitimate pathway. The New York Times attempted to cover this scheme a few months ago but when you look into all the cases they all involve lying to the government or outright fraud, for example one c…

You're making a lot of assumptions here that are not supported by the article. In any case, if his application is not valid, they can deny his green card application. Why throw him in a detention center for months instead of going through the process? Is he a flight risk? Where would he go?

I did not assume anything. He specifically mentions he was able to work because of an EAD associated with his I-485 Adjustment of Status application, which is the only possible pathway to green card after marriage to a USC.

There is no U.S. visa which allows 20 year stays with no work authorization. Doesn't exist. So he entered illegally.

>Why throw him in a detention center

Because he committed immigration fraud? Overstaying means you lied to CBP. Entering illegally is a crime, too.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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> The man concedes he came to the U.S. illegally. Not according to the article? > "And I did, I complied with everything they said. They asked me if I had a Green Card, I said I didn't, I said I was married to a citizen and that I had a marriage-based petition in place and I was just about to receive my Green Card and that I had a work permit to be here and work." > He said he had received the work permit about "a mo…

You are completely incorrect. An Employment Authorization Document, which he is referring to, does not imply or confer ANY immigration status.

From what I can tell you're right, but this seems like it's 100% the fault of the United States and 0% his. Why would you issue a document certifying authorization to work in the United States that does not imply authorization to be in the United States?

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Due process under the US Constitution protects everyone in the US, not just US citizens.

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The State says "Due process" now means your body may be used in the hard labor prison archipelago. How quickly we Rationalize. How shamefully human we are.
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