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Homeland Security Spying on Reddit Users

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Re: Homeland Security Spying on Reddit Users

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post #10

I wouldn't consider consuming public Reddit posts "spying." The OSINT folks aren't technically spying but they're a lot closer to it than this.

If someone follows you around in public taking pictures of everything you in publicly-visible locations, are you being spied on?

How about through your window, visible from the street?

All public and visible information.

Re: Homeland Security Spying on Reddit Users

#32

More specifically, the Border Patrol are spying on reddit users. Why are they creating these reports themselves and not relying on other agencies to investigate? Does border patrol have jurisdiction over all national security matters? >The spying is revealed in a January intelligence bulletin produced by the Border Patrol and leaked to me.

Is the bulletin stating that border patrol is performing the action, or is the bulletin making their agents aware of intel being shared by others?

Re: Homeland Security Spying on Reddit Users

#33
post #10

I wouldn't consider consuming public Reddit posts "spying." The OSINT folks aren't technically spying but they're a lot closer to it than this.

If you target an individual using the vast resources of the government for exercising his\her rights under the Constitution... would it not be much worse than spying?

Would it surprise you - given the well-documented behavior of the Federally-supported ICE agents - that this "leak" was a strategic (insidious) move? We've seen this behavior before on numerous occasions across social media that it should not surprise any of us. Or am I reaching...?

[note: his account (/u/Budget-Chicken-2425) has been suspended. I don't know if it happened before or after the leak. This is important to know too.]

Perhaps this is another calculated move to intimidate American citizens from exercising their Constitutional rights under the First Amendment?

Speech, Press, Assembly, Petition (and religion).

And if so... the very Constitution is under attack when these protected rights are reframed as homeland threats. Would you consider this a valid position?

Re: Homeland Security Spying on Reddit Users

#35
post #10

I wouldn't consider consuming public Reddit posts "spying." The OSINT folks aren't technically spying but they're a lot closer to it than this.

Not sure I would agree with the second statement, OSINT is spying, different mechanism but same intent.

To clarify, even if it is not strictly "spying" by some particular definition, the scope and scale is so large, and the channels to direct actual "spying" resources towards potentially relevant targets that are unveiled through OSINT methods really blur the lines.

Re: Homeland Security Spying on Reddit Users

#36
post #10

I wouldn't consider consuming public Reddit posts "spying." The OSINT folks aren't technically spying but they're a lot closer to it than this.

Why not? I definitely consider cameras recording our every move in public to be spying/surveillance. It is one thing for a person to see something in public. Quite another to have automated systems recording and analyzing everything for all time.

Yes! Re: United States vs Carpenter

Re: Homeland Security Spying on Reddit Users

#37
post #10

I wouldn't consider consuming public Reddit posts "spying." The OSINT folks aren't technically spying but they're a lot closer to it than this.

If someone follows you around in public taking pictures of everything you in publicly-visible locations, are you being spied on? How about through your window, visible from the street? All public and visible information.

Yes, if the government asks someone to do that on their behalf and you are literally doing that you could easily hit a United States vs Carpenter violation.

It’s not legal most likely.

Re: Homeland Security Spying on Reddit Users

#38
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh. Why do they need to anticipate protests? Why can't they simply respect the right of the people to assemble and complain? The only thing that's alarmist is all of the actions performed by ICE.

Presumably being prepared for an incident will reduce the chance that due to surprise that incident will be handled incorrectly If you ask me, all US law enforcement are very trigger happy, but I always assumed it is a two-way street as in, more people in US are armed and try to shoot law enforcements than in other countries

This approach seems much more likely to induce an incident. It’s an adversarial approach; it’s how you end up shooting people for filming. Constant vigilance! Shoot the nurse on his knees, to be safe!
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