What's going to happen to all the millions of drivers who will lose their job overnight? In a country with 100 million guns, are we really sure we've thought this through?
UBI or war, or both
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those are rookie numbers. The US has 400 million guns. https://www.theglobalstatistics.com/united-states-gun-owners... As to the revolt, America doesn't do that any more. Years of education have removed both the vim and vigor of our souls. People will complain. They will do a TikTok dance as protest. Some will go into the streets. No meaningful uprising will occur. The poor and the affected will be told to go to the…
> Ultimately the US will go down hill to become a Belgium. Sharing one's opinion in a respectful way is possible. Less spectacle, so less eyeballs, but worth it. Try it.
What's wrong with his comparison? He explained what he meant by "a Belgium".
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've always wondered... if Lidar + Cameras is always making the right decision, you should theoretically be able to take the output of the Lidar + Cameras model and use it as training data for a Camera only model.
> you should theoretically be able to take the output of the Lidar + Cameras model and use it as training data for a Camera only model. Why should you be able to do that exactly? Human vision is frequently tricked by it's lack of depth data.
"Exactly" is impossible: there are multiple Lidar samples that would map to the same camera sample. But what training would do is build a model that could infer the most likely Lidar representation from a camera representation. There would still be cases where the most likely Lidar for a camera input isn't a useful/good representation of reality, e.g. a scene with very high dynamic range.
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#34Still needs to be trained on the final boss: dense cities with narrow streets.
San Francisco isn't uniformly dense and narrow, but it does have both, and it's run remarkably well so far.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla does collect LIDAR data (people have seen them doing it, it's just not on all of the cars) and they do generate depth maps from sensor data, but from the examples I've seen it is much lower resolution than these Waymo examples.
Tesla does it to map the areas to come up with high def maps for areas where their cars try to operate.
Tesla uses lidar to train their models to generate depth data out of camera input. I don’t think they have any high definition maps.
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#36What's going to happen to all the millions of drivers who will lose their job overnight? In a country with 100 million guns, are we really sure we've thought this through?
I don't think Uber goes out of business. There is probably a sweet spot for Waymo's steady state cars, and you STILL might want 'surge' capabilities for part time workers who can repurpose their cars to make a little extra money here and there.
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#37> The Waymo World Model can convert those kinds of videos, or any taken with a regular camera, into a multimodal simulation—showing how the Waymo Driver would see that exact scene. Subtle brag that Waymo could drive in camera-only mode if they chose to. They've stated as much previously, but that doesn't seem widely known.
The purpose of lidar is to prove error correction when you need it most in terms of camera accuracy loss.
Humans do this, just in the sense of depth perception with both eyes.
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#38Imagine driving in a Waymo 'out of a raging fire'.
Talk about edge cases.
But, what would you do? Trust the Waymo, or get out (or never get in) at the first sign of trouble?
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#39"Autonomous" https://cybernews.com/news/waymo-overseas-human-agents-robot...
My understanding is that support is basically playing an RTS (point and click), not a 1P driving game. Which makes sense, if they were directly controlling the vehicles they'd put support in central America for better latency, like the food delivery bot drivers
Yeah. Waymo described how this works a couple of years ago:
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#40I wonder if they can simulate the Beatles crossing the street at Abbey Road in the late '60s
As a Londoner who used to have to ride up Abbey Road at least once per week there are people on that crossing pretty much all day every day reproducing that picture. So now Waymo are in Beta in London[1] they have only to drive up there and they'll get plenty of footage they could use for taht.
[1] I've seen a couple of them but they're not available to hire yet and are still very rare.