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TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

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I don't understand the legal side, but after gaining and kicking a Tiktok addiction during and after COVID, I believe it. I was there 4-8 hours a day and tried to scroll videos while washing dishes (and during nearly any other activity).

How'd you kick it?

I wasn’t able to stomach the idea of Larry Ellison being able to silently nudge my political views so I just deleted the app. Without the allure of China being able to influence my opinion I lost interest.

Re: TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

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I don't understand the legal side, but after gaining and kicking a Tiktok addiction during and after COVID, I believe it. I was there 4-8 hours a day and tried to scroll videos while washing dishes (and during nearly any other activity).

How'd you kick it?

Get a life that's more interesting than dish washing 4-8 hours a day.

Re: TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

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> On Friday, the regulators released a preliminary decision that TikTok’s infinite scroll, auto-play features and recommendation algorithm amount to an “addictive design” that violated European Union laws for online safety. How is that any different to Facebook?

Maybe it isn't any different to Facebook, I don't know. Why would if matter if Facebook isn't any different from TikTok in the context of this news?

Apparent hypocrisy and injustice in government policy is an ugly thing in the world that should be pointed out and eliminated through public awareness and scrutiny.

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How'd you kick it?

For me it’s kicking itself lately. The content has gotten way less interesting over the past few months. Maybe it just has to run its course.

Are you in the US? Lots of people have reported that the forced sale "ruined" their algorithm.

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Maybe I don't get addicted easily, but after 30 minutes of forcing myself to watch tiktok, I just uninstalled it. Friends told me I didn't give it enough time to learn my tastes but... How could it, given that literally 100% of the videos in my interest areas were trash?

It's a constant stream of makeup & dogs. I just stick to Michael Penn on YT.

Re: TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it isn't any different to Facebook, I don't know. Why would if matter if Facebook isn't any different from TikTok in the context of this news?

Apparent hypocrisy and injustice in government policy is an ugly thing in the world that should be pointed out and eliminated through public awareness and scrutiny.

Facebook are also under investigation, it just hasn't concluded yet. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46912263

Re: TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

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> On Friday, the regulators released a preliminary decision that TikTok’s infinite scroll, auto-play features and recommendation algorithm amount to an “addictive design” that violated European Union laws for online safety. How is that any different to Facebook?

The European Commission bases its investigation on the rules laid down in the Digital Services Act (DSA). This European legislation, introduced in 2022, imposes strict requirements on companies offering digital services in Europe. In addition to TikTok, the social media company Meta, Facebook's parent company, is also under the investigation. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_... Quoting: >T…

To explain it in a little bit better: Digital Services Act designates websites as Very Large Online Platforms (VLOPs) based on the number of monthly active users within the EU (>45 million, roughly 10% of all EU citizens).

Once the website is designated as such, you're looked at with more scrutiny, have to comply to higher standards, and the exact remediation steps are decided on a case-by-case basis. All of the cases are chugging along, but not all of them are on the same stage.

If your website is not popular enough to be designated as VLOP, this law basically doesn't exist. It's not like GDPR in a sense that it defines some things everyone has to follow, regardless of your audience size.

Re: TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

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> On Friday, the regulators released a preliminary decision that TikTok’s infinite scroll, auto-play features and recommendation algorithm amount to an “addictive design” that violated European Union laws for online safety. How is that any different to Facebook?

Not to mention Instagram. It is almost indistinguishable from TikTok now.

Re: TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

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I don't understand the legal side, but after gaining and kicking a Tiktok addiction during and after COVID, I believe it. I was there 4-8 hours a day and tried to scroll videos while washing dishes (and during nearly any other activity).

How'd you kick it?

In the depths of it, it's the last thing before I fell asleep, and the first thing I did in the morning, so the first thing was to break that cycle. Forced myself to have an independent thought for myself in the morning before I checked TikTok/Reels/YouTube shorts/Reddit/Hacker News. Then, not bringing my phone to bed at night, then just https://xkcd.com/386/ letting people be wrong on the Internet. Unless it affects my offline life in some way, it's just not as big a deal anymore.
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