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Re: Steve Bannon Proposes Using ICE in Elections

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Post by toomuchtodo »

mothballed wrote: post #30
toomuchtodo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voters should exercise their second amendment constitutionally protected right when they arrive to vote. (As of early 2026, 29 states allow permitless (constitutional) concealed carry of firearms in most public spaces, while 21 states still generally require a permit. Major permitless carry states include Texas, Florida, Georgia, Ohio, Indiana, and Arizona. While 47 states allow some form of open carry, California, I…

Is there any state where it isn't illegal to carry at polling locations? I live in probably the most pro 2A state in the USA and it's illegal even here.

Only within X feet of a polling place typically. Check your local laws for compliance. Print them out, have them on your person. I am advocating for protecting yourself against unlawful federal force, including lethal force, while remaining within the letter of the law while exercising your right to vote. Definitely don't break the law as it relates to crossing a threshold (distance, whatever) with a firearm at a polling location, if that is the law in your jurisdiction. Certainly a better option than being dead and having ProPublica have to release the names of those who caused harm, imho. Alternatively, you should be talking to your governor already about local police and national guard being stationed to protect voters from federal agent intimidation, if needed. Pick your risk appetite.

You are responsible for protecting you, no one else is or will. Know the law, operate within it to the best of your ability and from a position of good faith. Failing all of that, a jury will work it out.

https://www.thetrace.org/2024/10/state-gun-bans-polling-plac...

Lawyer. Passport. Locksmith. Gun. (A Talk About Risk and Preparedness) [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33509164 - November 2022

Re: Steve Bannon Proposes Using ICE in Elections

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Post by an0malous »

dyauspitr wrote: post #4
cf100clunk wrote: post #2

Voter intimidation is against the law.

This administration is lawless.

Can anyone downvoting this comment explain why? It seems like an objective fact at this point that this administration is lawless. Trump himself has stated that anything he does as president is by definition legal and that the only bounds on what he can do are "[his] own morality"

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Post by secretballot »

watwut wrote: post #23
Analemma_ wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The President is absolutely immune to the law for any "official actions", and the Supreme Court case which established this was specifically about whether ensuring voting integrity, no matter how farcically pre-textual, is an "official action": they determined it is. The law won't help us here.

Americans needs to decide whether the issues is that the constitution is just badly written or whether the supreme court is trying to intentionally destroy democracy to help their right wing friends. Or whether both are true.

My personal litmus test for whether we've entered any kind of "there's still a little hope for the Republic" territory is whether anyone with real power is talking about eliminating the permanent position of Supreme Court Justice and replacing that with a by-lot panel system from the lower courts.

This isn't a crazy or impossible proposition, it can be done with just a law. We already form some courts in a similar way, so it's also not unprecedented. It even avoids the naked partisanship of a simple court-packing.

As far as I can tell, nobody who matters is talking about it yet. So. Hope is... remote.

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Post by Integrape »

mullingitover wrote: post #20
jeffbee wrote: post #9

Americans have been in a hot civil war since January 2021 and just refuse to realize it.

Arguably the original civil war never ended. The most important battle lost by the Union forces: Reconstruction.

Just like The War of the Last Alliance. Reconstruction was Isildur keeping the ring for himself.

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Post by mothballed »

_aleph2c_ wrote: post #28

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A bazillion cases have determined you can be ID'd to exercise a right granted to 'people'. (Illinois FOID still hasn't been overthrown).

The constitution protects rights of citizens to vote.

It does seem bizarre you need an ID to show you are a 'person' to exercise the right of people, but not an ID to show you are a citizen to exercise the right of citizens.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but it's blindingly inconsistent across rights. Surely it is at least as easy to show you are a person without ID, as it is to show you are a citizen without ID...

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Post by OutOfHere »

rawgabbit wrote: post #25
SilverElfin wrote: post #3

A lot of people have been concerned that ICE is turning into a personal army for Trump. This year they will expand ICE to over 40,000 agents allegedly. This is enough to overwhelm police departments in every jurisdiction. There is a real possibility that these agents will continue detainment of people, even if they are US citizens, as they are trying to vote. Perhaps they will use their facial recognition app, Mobile…

On Election Day, they will deploy ICE to traditionally Democratic voting precincts. This is how they will "solve" electoral fraud.

It is the swing precincts and states that they will deploy it to.

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Post by eftychis »

mothballed wrote: post #24
watwut wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans needs to decide whether the issues is that the constitution is just badly written or whether the supreme court is trying to intentionally destroy democracy to help their right wing friends. Or whether both are true.

Liberia had a nearly identical constitution for much of its existence. You know, the place from where General Butt Naked warlord engaged in cannabilism of the populace and each president for awhile was replaced with the last via having their ear cut off or tortured and then hanged while the next guys people drink a budweiser in front of the camera for the world to see. It's a road map to where we end up with a simila…

The paper is _the_ reminder of the promises we owe to future selves and generations. Its value lies in the People's strength to enforce it by exercising the obligations and rights it describes.

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Post by crumpled »

tptacek wrote: post #17

This wouldn't be on-topic for HN even if it wasn't running in "Newsweek" --- even if a sitting senator had said it, mere proposals are explicitly off-topic --- but I always feel like it's useful to call out the fact that "Newsweek" is a grift publication. The Newsweek your parents read went out of business a decade and a half ago, and was purchased by a cult and run as an SEO farm. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=a…

I would change that classification from "mere proposal" to "credible threat".

I'm honestly disappointed to see this flagged. What's the saying, "Even an SEO farm is right twice a day"?

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