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Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by freehorse »

arrrg wrote: post #18
budududuroiu wrote: post #3

So... de-facto mass deanonymisation of all Spanish social media users? I see a lot of supporters of these policies either not acknowledge that you can't identify under-16yo without identifying over-16yos.

Age verification is possible without revealing personally identifiable information (beyond old enough yes/no, which is not in any way personally identifiable info) and from my perspective should be a strict requirement with any such laws. In fact, if these laws make the requisite infrastructure (ID cards that offer that functionality) a hard requirement then creating an anonymous web that nevertheless has age checks…

It is definitely technically possible, and it has been for some time in many places. But I doubt anybody (sm companies, state) cares to implement it like that, instead of taking it as a chance to increase surveillance.

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by u_sama »

wesleywt wrote: post #17
andrewstuart wrote: post #7

Governments everywhere are following suit.

In this case, saving the children from the toxic misinformation firehose that is social media might save our democracies.

The cynical in me doesnt see that as the main problem, lack of diversity in thought and debate is already an issue, censorship laws about what subjects and what opinions are correct is an issue that will be exacerbated. To save the democracies you need, a better population who votes in competently and informed, as well as a public debate that is honest and doesnt decry any deviation from the standard as fascism. Far-right populism only exists in coutries where debate is not honest and pragmatic enough, and avoided in countries like Denmark because population and government are in a tight loop where each feels heard by the other.

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by donglong »

aacid wrote: post #23
budududuroiu wrote: post #3

So... de-facto mass deanonymisation of all Spanish social media users? I see a lot of supporters of these policies either not acknowledge that you can't identify under-16yo without identifying over-16yos.

You need ID to buy cigarettes and alcohol, prescription drugs or to get sim card... you will need it to register for social network account... do not seem as big of a deal to me. Even less when considering all the positives.

American here. it's a very big deal.

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by Devasta »

pjc50 wrote: post #10

This is really globally coordinated, isn't it? I'm just not sure why now and not previously. Is it just that Twitter went over the toxicity threshold that everyone noticed?

> I'm just not sure why now and not previously.

Shock at how many people believe Palestinians are human got the ball rolling, but now its prepping for the fallout of the release of more and more Epstein files.

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by vachina »

pjc50 wrote: post #10

This is really globally coordinated, isn't it? I'm just not sure why now and not previously. Is it just that Twitter went over the toxicity threshold that everyone noticed?

Kind of dangerous to let malleable young minds in the hands of another country’s “algorithm”.

Ideologies are cultivated young.

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by u_sama »

arrrg wrote: post #30
u_sama wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the track record of both the country and other EU attempts (despite the existence of a zero trust verification framework) I am quite sure this will be used to de-anonymize users online, see UK.

There it rears its ugly head again, the preemptive cynicism that prevents anything good from ever getting done. It’s simple really: zero trust age verification should be a strict requirement of any such law and anything else illegal for age verification. That to me is what has to happen and it’s important to me. That’s my perspective on this – not that‘s never going to happen anyway, so no point in trying to.

Its not preemptive, more like reactive, track record is bad and current PM is enshrouded in corruption, so do the maths.

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by circuit10 »

maxehmookau wrote: post #9
circuit10 wrote: post #4

I worry that these measures (if they actually work, which is unlikely) will isolate people who struggle with real-life interactions. I remember reading somewhere that autistic people tend to find community in online spaces, and it seems like a lot of people gain their tech skills that way, including me. So indiscriminately banning young people from these spaces will prevent them from finding community and people like…

I guess it depends on which spaces they're banned from. Before Facebook, online communities were bulletin boards and chat rooms. They weren't hyper-addictive social media platforms designed to suck as much attention as possible; they were genuine places of connection. My hope is that children being banned from the mega platforms would lead to a growth in less harmful online communities for folks who can benefit from…

Unless an exception is made these types of laws only make things much harder for small communities, since they can’t afford to implement the required measures and take on the legal liability. The result will be that everyone moves to larger platforms that are able to do these things

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by bondarchuk »

aacid wrote: post #23
budududuroiu wrote: post #3

So... de-facto mass deanonymisation of all Spanish social media users? I see a lot of supporters of these policies either not acknowledge that you can't identify under-16yo without identifying over-16yos.

You need ID to buy cigarettes and alcohol, prescription drugs or to get sim card... you will need it to register for social network account... do not seem as big of a deal to me. Even less when considering all the positives.

Needing ID to buy a sim card was a big deal, though. Didn't seem like it because it seemed like we still had the internet for anonymous communication. That will be gone soon by the looks of it. Frog status: boiled.

Re: Spain to ban social media access for under-16s, PM Sanchez says

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Post by gorgolo »

aacid wrote: post #23
budududuroiu wrote: post #3

So... de-facto mass deanonymisation of all Spanish social media users? I see a lot of supporters of these policies either not acknowledge that you can't identify under-16yo without identifying over-16yos.

You need ID to buy cigarettes and alcohol, prescription drugs or to get sim card... you will need it to register for social network account... do not seem as big of a deal to me. Even less when considering all the positives.

When I show my ID at the cash register I assume the person working there doesn’t instantaneously memorize all my details and then write down when exactly I was at the shop, along with other details, to use this info later for their own reasons.

Whereas if I upload my ID to a tech company (that potentially answers to both my own government and foreign governments, as well as having its own ad-related agenda) I am a bit less certain about what will happen to this data.

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