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Geologists may have solved mystery of Green River's 'uphill' route

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Re: Geologists may have solved mystery of Green River's 'uphill' route

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What about ice pressing down? The repeated glaciations might have pushed in area down and back up several times over 6 million years. Might have even caused that drip to break off.

That wouldn't cause the "bullseye" pattern the article describes, would it?

I don't think the recent glaciation got as far south at Utah, anyway.

Re: Geologists may have solved mystery of Green River's 'uphill' route

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having recently gotten into watching documentaries or youtube videos of accounts of mountaineering expeditions it's amazing how lazy content creators, film makers and journalists can be when choosing what images or videos to show. You'll get something about climbing a mountain in the Andes and keep getting shown completely misleading pictures of Himalayan mountains, etc.

The content you create is only as good as the stock footage you have available to you. It's not like these people are trekking to the locations to acquire their own content. If you search in stock libraries for mountaineering in the Andes, and it only brings you footage from the Himalayas you're just going to use it.

plenty of them are traveling, and the extent to which you see videos of people putting together stock footage indicates failure of the algorithm. although at this point, the algorithm has failed hard enough that I am down to subscriptions and chronological feed.

Although, this larger structure did create one of my favorite internet algorithm outcomes: There is obviously intense hunger for authentic mountain videos narrated in a generic minecraft youtuber voice, and the resulting incentive gradient physically yeeted a minecraft youtuber to the top of mount everest (https://www.youtube.com/@RyanMitchellYT)

Re: Geologists may have solved mystery of Green River's 'uphill' route

#34

Fascinating to think of entire mountain ranges moving up and down like the skin on a wobbly pudding.

And the speed at which it happens: > a cold, round anomaly about 200 km below the surface. > By estimating how far the drip had fallen and calculating the speed of its descent, the researchers estimate that the drip broke off between 2 and 5 million years ago. A few megayears later, the bit that broke off is still falling. 200km in 2m years, I make that in the ballpark of 0.1m per year - a bit less if it's > 2m years…

Makes the Pitch Drop Experiment [0] seem jump-to-warp-speed fast!

[0] https://smp.uq.edu.au/pitch-drop-experiment

Re: Geologists may have solved mystery of Green River's 'uphill' route

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post #31

What about ice pressing down? The repeated glaciations might have pushed in area down and back up several times over 6 million years. Might have even caused that drip to break off.

That wouldn't cause the "bullseye" pattern the article describes, would it? I don't think the recent glaciation got as far south at Utah, anyway.

You may be referring to the ice sheet, but there have been many periods of alpine glaciation in Utah. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02773... and https://geology.utah.gov/map-pub/survey-notes/utahs-glacial-...

Re: Geologists may have solved mystery of Green River's 'uphill' route

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What about ice pressing down? The repeated glaciations might have pushed in area down and back up several times over 6 million years. Might have even caused that drip to break off.

It's a detailed paper by five highly qualified researchers, with over 100 citations, and thanks six different reviewers.

It seems very likely to me that they would have said something about this theory if it were relevant.

Re: Geologists may have solved mystery of Green River's 'uphill' route

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For people interested in the subject generally I highly recommend John McPhee's anthology "Annals of the Former World." Actually I highly recommend everything John McPhee has written but this is a good start :).

I just finished Annals of the Former World. It's essentially a 700 page-long ode to geology, using scientific terms for their prosody as much as their meaning. I once saw someone else remark that "Rising from the Plains" was the greatest western ever written.

I used to think geology was a dumb science, but this book single-handedly made me obsessed with the topic. Geology is really more like "earth history" and it's a startlingly young field, a dynamic which plays out across the volumes.

Re: Geologists may have solved mystery of Green River's 'uphill' route

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Geology is fascinating. When geologists describe effects over long periods of time, it's like they're describing liquids, not solid matter.

It's interesting to think about the fact that on a long enough timeline, all the matter that we consider to be solid actually behaves more like liquid; bobbing up and down like a rough ocean. The continents shifting apart like two opposing currents with the plagues sliding one above another like what happens when two great currents meet... All the solid objects we interact with are like liquids frozen in time and we're actually moving through time extremely rapidly. So rapidly that we are able to temporarily shape the 'liquids' before they eventually disintegrate and melt into a puddle; as also happens to us.

Thinking about the world in this way makes everything we do seem much more complex, but at the same time, more futile, than it initially appears.

Re: Geologists may have solved mystery of Green River's 'uphill' route

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As a geologist with 2 degrees and a lot of passion in the subject, I’ve never heard of lithospheric drip related to orogenic dips until now, but I love it and kick myself for not questioning the over simplicity of typical thought around lower crust processes enough.
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