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We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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The author is in their forties or fifties. They’re forgetting one important thing; they were young and the world was in front of them.

Every single 'it was better in the X0s' is actually 'i want a tween/young teenager in the X0s'. Everything else is post hoc rationalization I'm jealous of my kids since they are so much better off in every way

I'm conflicted on that myself. On paper their life is certainly so much easier and more comfortable.

On the other hand, I feel like there's some intangibles missing. Not having instant access to everything made for patience and appreciation. Not having laptops and cellphones meant having to converse and interact with those around you. It's hard to describe why any of that is better than today, but it just feels like it was to my old brain.

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This Douglas Adams quote is still undefeated: 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.

There's definitely some truth to that but not everything is a generational thing.

Eg: Social media is a net negative for kids and teens.

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As an old-timer, the biggest difference between now and the 80s and 90s is that in the 80s and 90s entertainment was relatively scarce. An album cost $20, which was a lot in those days. You could get movies, but you had to go to the video store and remember to return them, and the selection was often limited. If you liked some weird band, most record stores didn't have it. In the 80s TV was very limited and you had to get home in time.

So today entertainment is unlimited and everywhere, personalized and you can have more free entertainment than you could ever watch in a million years. This means other forms of entertainment like hanging out with friends, going to the symphony, the opera, or out to the movies, or just hanging out in public are much less valuable than they used to be.

One example: As a teenager, I used to go to a special screening of a Warren Miller film about extreme skiing that they would do once a year. This was a big annual event where we would watch daredevils ski and do tricks with old Warren narrating and pay $12 to get in. They wouldn't have anything like that on regular TV. Now, there is an unlimited amount of that stuff on almost every single video platform on the internet.

Also, one other huge notable difference was pornography was very hard to get a hold of, and now it's available in unlimited amounts for free. This warps society in all kinds of weird ways. For instance, women were mysterious, incredibly alluring, and much more irresistable in those days. Just seeing cleavage was a big deal! Now all that mystery is totally gone for men who don't abstain from pornography, and young men seem hugely demotivated to date.

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The Internet is to blame!

But you could say we peaked before electricity too:

- It broke our natural circadian rhythm

- It enabled the 24-hr grind

- With radios and televisions, people were now staying home for leisure instead of going to parks and public spaces (TV dinners!)

- It led to immense pollution

Technology really is a double edged sword.

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The author is in their forties or fifties. They’re forgetting one important thing; they were young and the world was in front of them.

Every single 'it was better in the X0s' is actually 'i want a tween/young teenager in the X0s'. Everything else is post hoc rationalization I'm jealous of my kids since they are so much better off in every way

20-30 is the most commonly picked best age, while teenage is the most widely picked worst age

https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/53769-what-are-the...

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I am sure every single generation has something like this to say about a decade that was meaningful to them. But I feel the 90s are special because it was a period where you got to experience two worlds - the pre Internet one and the post Internet one. You had all the promise of the early Internet without the downsides of what came later with social media, monetization, etc. And people were still generally … normal.…

The "every generation" thing is for when the progress is linear.

From no transistors to 13+ sextillion in less than 100 years does not feel linear.

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> Things came out slowly. Albums. Games. Software. That slowness gave them weight. You lived with them for a while instead of replacing them next week.

This is very true (and should include films as well). When big movies came out they were a big thing. Waiting in long lines for a ticket to a movie was a normal thing. People talked about them weeks and weeks. They were sort of big cultural events.

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If you want to sum up the 90s in the UK for people like me who became adults then, it would be the song, "Things can only get better". A little embarrassing, yes? Naive? and yet there really was an optimism then. If things weren't great (and objectively it was a poorer country), they were getting better, and they could get better, and they would. Happiness is more about cake tomorrow than cake today, and in the 90s you really could believe it. Do we have that belief now? Managed decline, it feels like, is the best the UK can offer.

To make this a bit more pithy: in the 1990s we were excited about the coming 21st century. In 2025, do we think the 2030s are going to be better, really? Or are we looking down the barrels of one maturing catastrophe over another?

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> I'm jealous of my kids since they are so much better off in every way Really? It’s interesting how much I see this take online. I never see people saying this IRL.

Yes of course I am. This is the best possible time quite literally. Barely any conflict. The entire world, including 'poor' countries, are getting richer. Like the world of 2100 is going to be F'ING amazing. We are making our way to a post scarcity world and it's amazing. All the negative news you hear everyday are just distractions from what's actually going on.

Is this satire?
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