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Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#31

Days after the fake story about Cursor building a web browser from scratch with GPT-5.2 was debunked. Disbelief should be the default reaction to stories like this.

I get vibe coding a feature or news story or whatnot but how do you go about not even checking if the thing actually works, or fact checking the blog post?

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Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#32
It is worrying to see a major vendor release code that does not actually work just to sell a new product. When companies pretend that complex engineering is easy it makes it very hard for the rest of us to explain why building safe software takes time. This kind of behavior erodes the trust that we place in their platform.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#33

The developer just "cleaned up the code comments", i.e. they removed all TODOs from the code: https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd... Professionalism at its finest!

No more vulnerabilities then I guess!

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-rust-sdk/blob/main/CONT... is an example of engineering trying to make a comeback, on the Matrix side at least :)

As long as you take ownership, test your stuff and ensure it actually does what you claim it does, I don't mind if you use LLMs, a book or your dog. I'm mostly concerned that something we used to see as a part of basic "software engineering" (verify that what you build is actually doing what you think it is) has suddenly made a very quick exit from the scene, in chase of outputting more LOC which is completely backwa…

I review every line of code I generate, and make sure I know enough that I can manually reproduce everything I commit if you take away the LLM assistant tomorrow.

This is also what I ask our engineers to do, but it's getting hard to enforce.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The outrageous part of this is nowhere in the blog post or the repository indicates it's vibe coded garbage (hopefully I didn't miss it?). You expect some level of bullshit in AI company's latest AI vibe coding announcements. This can be mistaken for a classical blog post. Although the tell is obvious if you spent one second looking at https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers . That misaligned ASCII diagram, damn…

> A production-grade Matrix homeserver implementation It's getting outright frustrating to deal with this. Fine, random hype-men gets hyped about stuff and tweets about it, doesn't mind me too much. Huge companies who used to have a lot of good will putting out stuff like this, seemingly with absolutely zero reviews before hitting publish? What are they doing? Have everyone decided to just give up and give in to the…

We found that reviewing AI code is bottleneck for performance so we stopped reviewing it

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#36

Days after the fake story about Cursor building a web browser from scratch with GPT-5.2 was debunked. Disbelief should be the default reaction to stories like this.

I get vibe coding a feature or news story or whatnot but how do you go about not even checking if the thing actually works, or fact checking the blog post?

Optics is the only thing that matters, there are people genuinely pushing for vibe coding on production systems. Actually, all of the big companies are doing this and claiming it is MORE safe because reduces human error.

I'm starting to believe they are all right, actually. Maybe frontier models surpassed most humans, but the bar we should have for humans is really really low. I genuinely believe most people cannot distinguish llms capabilities from their own capabilities, and their are not wrong from the perspective they have.

How could you perceive, out in the wild, an essence that scapes you?

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#37

The developer just "cleaned up the code comments", i.e. they removed all TODOs from the code: https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd... Professionalism at its finest!

I also use this as a simple heuristic:

https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commits/main/

There exist only two commits. I've never seen a "real" project that looks like this.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#39

The developer just "cleaned up the code comments", i.e. they removed all TODOs from the code: https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd... Professionalism at its finest!

Oh wow I'm at a loss for words.

To the author: see my comment at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46782174, please also clean up that misaligned ASCII diagram at the top of the README, it's a dead tell.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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post #29

Days after the fake story about Cursor building a web browser from scratch with GPT-5.2 was debunked. Disbelief should be the default reaction to stories like this.

it seems as if literally everyone associated with "AI" is a grifter, shill (sorry, "Independent Researcher"), temporarily embarrassed billionaire, or just a flat out scammer I have yet to see a counter-example

Everyone (not really, but basically yes) associated with $current_thing is a rent seeking scammer.

Even if Blockchain has tremendous impact, even if transformers are incredible (really) technology, even if NFTs could solve real world problems...you could basically say the same thing and be right, rounding up, 100% of the time, about anything technology related (and everything else as well). This truly is a clown world, but it is illegal to challenge it (or considered bad faith around here)

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