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Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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K2 0905 and K2 Thinking shortly after that have done impressively well in my personal use cases and was severely slept on. Faster, more accurate, less expensive, more flexible in terms of hosting and available months before Gemini 3 Flash, I really struggle to understand why Flash got such positive attention at launch. Interested in the dedicated Agent and Agent Swarm releases, especially in how that could affect thi…

K2 thinking didn't have vision which was a big drawback for my projects.

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about the "cheaper" claim -- I checked Kimi pricing, and it's a $200/mo subscription too?

On openrouter 2.5 is at 0.60/3$ per Mtok. That's haiku pricing.

The unit economics seem tough at that price for a 1T parameter model. Even with MoE sparsity you are still VRAM bound just keeping the weights resident, which is a much higher baseline cost than serving a smaller model like Haiku.

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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Actually open source, or yet another public model, which is the equivalent of a binary? URL is down so cannot tell.

The label 'open source' has become a reputation reaping and marketing vehicle rather than an informative term since the Hugging Face benchmark race started. With the weights only, we cannot actually audit that if a model is a) contaminated by benchmarks, b) built with deliberate biases, or c) trained on copyrighted/privacy data, let alone allowing other vendors to replicate the results. Anyways, people still love free stuff.

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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The "Deepseek moment" is just one year ago today!

Coincidence or not, let's just marvel for a second over this amount of magic/technology that's being given away for free... and how liberating and different this is than OpenAI and others that were closed to "protect us all".

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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Actually open source, or yet another public model, which is the equivalent of a binary? URL is down so cannot tell.

The label 'open source' has become a reputation reaping and marketing vehicle rather than an informative term since the Hugging Face benchmark race started. With the weights only, we cannot actually audit that if a model is a) contaminated by benchmarks, b) built with deliberate biases, or c) trained on copyrighted/privacy data, let alone allowing other vendors to replicate the results. Anyways, people still love fre…

Just accept that IP laws don't matter and the old "free software" paradigm is dead. Aaron Swartz died so that GenAI may live. RMS and his model of "copyleft" are so Web 1.0 (not even 2.0). No one in GenAI cares AT ALL about the true definition of open source. Good.

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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I don't get this "agent swarm" concept. You set up a task and they boot up 100 LLMs to try to do it in parallel, and then one "LLM judge" puts it all together? Is there anywhere I can read more about it?

The datacenters yearn for the chips.

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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I don't get this "agent swarm" concept. You set up a task and they boot up 100 LLMs to try to do it in parallel, and then one "LLM judge" puts it all together? Is there anywhere I can read more about it?

You have a team lead that establishes a list of tasks that are needed to achieve your mission

then it creates a list of employees, each of them is specialized for a task, and they work in parallel.

Essentially hiring a team of people who get specialized on one problem.

Do one thing and do it well.

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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Huggingface Link: https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K2.5 1T parameters, 32b active parameters. License: MIT with the following modification: Our only modification part is that, if the Software (or any derivative works thereof) is used for any of your commercial products or services that have more than 100 million monthly active users, or more than 20 million US dollars (or equivalent in other currencies) in mont…

> or more than 20 million US dollars (or equivalent in other currencies) in monthly revenue, you shall prominently display "Kimi K2.5" on the user interface of such product or service. Why not just say "you shall pay us 1 million dollars"?

? They prefer the branding. The license just says you have to say it was them if you make > $250mm a year on the model.

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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I don't get this "agent swarm" concept. You set up a task and they boot up 100 LLMs to try to do it in parallel, and then one "LLM judge" puts it all together? Is there anywhere I can read more about it?

You can read about this basically everywhere - the term of art is agent orchestration. Gas town, Claude’s secret swarm mode, or people who like to use phrases like “Wiggum loop” will get you there.

If you’re really lazy - the quick summary is that you can benefit from the sweet spot of context length and reduce instruction overload while getting some parallelism benefits from farming tasks out to LLMs with different instructions. The way this is generally implemented today is through tool calling, although Claude also has a skills interface it has been trained against.

So the idea would be for software development, why not have a project/product manager spin out tasks to a bunch of agents that are primed to be good at different things? E.g. an architect, a designer, and so on. Then you just need something that can rectify GitHub PRs and bob’s your uncle.

Gas town takes a different approach and parallelizes on coding tasks of any sort at the base layer, and uses the orchestration infrastructure to keep those coders working constantly, optimizing for minimal human input.

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