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House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

whatshisface wrote: post #30
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily - how is a kid paying for a VPS server? A personal debit card (which requires ID verification anyway, and likely has their parents able to see activity)? A personal credit card (which definitely requires ID + 18+)? Stealing their parents' card (works for like 5 days)? Does the VPS company block VPN ports without verification, similar to how most companies handle email? Do you think VPS services have a…

If having a credit card and the ability to make purchases was good enough as an ID system, they could have simply made it the law instead of requiring tech companies to collect those sweet, sweet personal ID document photos.

The UK law doesn't say you have to use ID photos, that's porn companies knowing that charging even £1 a visit would be devastating to the business. Credit card verification is a completely legal method in the UK.

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by landl0rd »

zrn900 wrote: post #17

After enforcing age verification to prevent children from viewing those pesky Gaza genocide videos that Israel did not want them to see, they gotta ensure that those brats wont be able to get around it and still see the videos. Its amazing how this censorship was brought on rapidly and precisely after Netanyahu demanded it at the start of last year. No surprise as half of Starmer government was funded by zionists.

I really don't think governments need a kick in the tail from a foreign power to try to grab more power. It's just what they do by nature.

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by captainbland »

CJefferson wrote: post #15
lacoolj wrote: post #5

Very shallow, naive approach to child safety. This is like banning children from riding scooters on a highway. They're just going to use a bike instead. Danger still exists. VPNs are not the only way around this, so if you want to ban the "method of access" you need to be much more broad, and get the parents involved.

But, we do ban children on scooters from roads in the UK, but they can go on bikes? I don't understand your metaphor.. what you are suggesting is what we do and it's sensible.

In fairness we essentially ban scooters from practically every public path/road but they're still everywhere

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by whatshisface »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #31
whatshisface wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If having a credit card and the ability to make purchases was good enough as an ID system, they could have simply made it the law instead of requiring tech companies to collect those sweet, sweet personal ID document photos.

The UK law doesn't say you have to use ID photos, that's porn companies knowing that charging even £1 a visit would be devastating to the business. Credit card verification is a completely legal method in the UK.

They can check for credit cards without requiring any payment. Are you sure that's sufficient given these vaguely worded laws? If so many HN readers could solve the whole problem by making websites which issued digital signatures of random numbers to anyone who can support a £0.01 debit which is then immediately reversed.

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

whatshisface wrote: post #34
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK law doesn't say you have to use ID photos, that's porn companies knowing that charging even £1 a visit would be devastating to the business. Credit card verification is a completely legal method in the UK.

They can check for credit cards without requiring any payment. Are you sure that's sufficient given these vaguely worded laws? If so many HN readers could solve the whole problem by making websites which issued digital signatures of random numbers to anyone who can support a £0.01 debit which is then immediately reversed.

The problem is porn companies know full well nobody, nobody, wants that on their credit card statement. Kinda weird that something supposedly as natural as rain needs such levels of privacy; the hypocrisy is notable (if it's so natural and so many people do it, own it).

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by whatshisface »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #35
whatshisface wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can check for credit cards without requiring any payment. Are you sure that's sufficient given these vaguely worded laws? If so many HN readers could solve the whole problem by making websites which issued digital signatures of random numbers to anyone who can support a £0.01 debit which is then immediately reversed.

The problem is porn companies know full well nobody, nobody, wants that on their credit card statement. Kinda weird that something supposedly as natural as rain needs such levels of privacy; the hypocrisy is notable (if it's so natural and so many people do it, own it).

They can have whatshisface's digital certificates, Inc. on their statements.

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by gruez »

armada651 wrote: post #19
retired wrote: post #4

Does that mean that VPN providers now need identification before you can open an account?

If this becomes law, then yes. But then people will turn to VPS providers instead and set up their own VPNs, which will then prompt a law to demand age verification before renting any server. I wonder how far they're willing to go down this rabbit hole.

>If this becomes law, then yes.

Or they just operate outside of UK jurisdiction, in which case they can politely decline. Any executives/directors of said company might be liable to arrest if they decide to vacation in uk, though.

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by gnarlouse »

armada651 wrote: post #19
retired wrote: post #4

Does that mean that VPN providers now need identification before you can open an account?

If this becomes law, then yes. But then people will turn to VPS providers instead and set up their own VPNs, which will then prompt a law to demand age verification before renting any server. I wonder how far they're willing to go down this rabbit hole.

Age verification to wake up in the morning, age verification to breathe air, age verification to use the restroom, age verification t...

Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by [deleted] »

whatshisface wrote: post #36
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is porn companies know full well nobody, nobody, wants that on their credit card statement. Kinda weird that something supposedly as natural as rain needs such levels of privacy; the hypocrisy is notable (if it's so natural and so many people do it, own it).

They can have whatshisface's digital certificates, Inc. on their statements.

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Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs

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Post by gruez »

whatshisface wrote: post #36
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is porn companies know full well nobody, nobody, wants that on their credit card statement. Kinda weird that something supposedly as natural as rain needs such levels of privacy; the hypocrisy is notable (if it's so natural and so many people do it, own it).

They can have whatshisface's digital certificates, Inc. on their statements.

authorizations don't show up on statements, but still allow you to verify the card is valid
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