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Re: National Guard activated in Minneapolis after Border Patrol agent kills man

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Post by text0404 »

orionsbelt wrote: post #28
text0404 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can quite clearly see the second shooter in the video standing over him, shooting him multiple times as he's laying motionless on the ground after being beaten and shot once. > the most likely theory According to whom? What's your source for this? Wild that you're trying to muddy the waters with "theories" that even ICE hasn't claimed (the only defense so far is that he was a violent domestic terrorist who wanted…

> You can quite clearly see the second shooter in the video standing over him, shooting him multiple times as he's laying motionless on the ground after being beaten and shot once. Yes, that's how cops/ICE react when they hear gunshots. They shoot and ask questions later. I'm not necessarily defending that (I think it would be a great thing if cops/ICE received more extensive training, cared more about de-escalation…

You're the only person speculating about their motives. Everyone else is watching the same incident, shot from multiple cameras/angles, which make it clear that an extreme escalation of violence from untrained ICE agents towards a man who was attempting to help a woman (who was also attacked in a show of excessive force) ended in his unnecessary death. The motives are irrelevant - these people are untrained, trigger-happy, and just killed another person.

Re: National Guard activated in Minneapolis after Border Patrol agent kills man

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Post by defrost »

Vanit wrote: post #32

The American discourse around these killings are actually insane. In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing.

> In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing.

Without in any way excusing the clear and obvious excess of the US DHS and ICE here, you should at least read various Coroner's findings in respect of Australian police interactions with indigenous Australians.

eg: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inqu...

Various police forces around the globe, in Australia, Canada, the UK, and elsewhere have their subgroups with encrypted chat accounts detailing at length their contempt for various others .. women, particular minorities and ethnicities, etc.

They often exchange grooming notes on provoking "officer-induced jeopardy" .. how to escalate a situation into what passes for "justified homicide" or least a chance to put the boot in.

Re: National Guard activated in Minneapolis after Border Patrol agent kills man

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Post by pan69 »

binarymax wrote: post #2

I’m not sure how many people realize this, but ICE is the buildup for trump to hold power by deploying soldiers ahead of time. I expect we will see them deployed at the election sites of democratic cities in November.

My two cents. Trump likes the idea that in the Ukraine they can't hold elections when they are at war as per their constitution. Even though the US doesn't have such a thing, it's not going to deter Trump from creating a "situation" where he can declare a marshall law event of some sort to "postpone" elections, indefinitely. If Americans think that there are going to be midterms, or even a next presidential election, better get ready!

Re: National Guard activated in Minneapolis after Border Patrol agent kills man

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Post by orwin »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #6

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Exactly what was said to the Venezuelian and Irani protesters.

On the other side, the last time in the US police were killing this indiscriminately, some people in Oakland started open carrying automatic rifles in groups and followed patrol cars to prevent those 'mistakes' to happen again.

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Post by youngtaff »

orionsbelt wrote: post #30
ghuroo1 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

stop excusing murder. the man was holding a phone before being violated, and when on the floor, with both hands on the floor, was shot almost 10 times. watch the videos.

You too. Tell me if you disagree that this seems to show the officer who removed the gun may have plausibly accidentally discharged the first shot: https://x.com/Landeur/status/2015191223900803407 The footage is too grainy to say anything for certain in my view.

So what?

They beat the shit out of him first — what rationale is there for doing that?

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

polotics wrote: post #38

Well it looks like it's time to say bye-bye to the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms in the US, right? NRA and all that notwithstanding it seems if you're bearing arms you will be shot. Interesting times.

The 2A was only meant to apply to Republicans, obviously.

Re: National Guard activated in Minneapolis after Border Patrol agent kills man

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Post by throw0101c »

orionsbelt wrote: post #23
parrellel wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the whole execution was recorded from at least 3 available angles. You could just check.

Well, from what I’ve seen, the most likely theory is that the agent who disarmed the man (after another agent had yelled “gun”) then accidentally discharged the weapon, which caused all the other ICE officers to freak out and discharge their weapons. I don’t want to argue over the broader questions; ie should ICE even be there and doing this; are they adequately trained; are they overly aggressive to tackle this guy…

> Well, from what I’ve seen, the most likely theory is that the agent who disarmed the man (after another agent had yelled “gun”) then accidentally discharged the weapon, which caused all the other ICE officers to freak out and discharge their weapons.

Then an investigation should clear up the situation and exonerate the ICE folks. But ICE/FBI are (a) not investigating any of the shootings, and (b) are blocking the local police from investigating.

In the Renee Good case, the FBI is actually 'investigating' the victim of the shooting.

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