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Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by MBCook »

tbrownaw wrote: post #22

This study is about air quality in neighborhoods . So it would show the same thing even if EVs just moved pollution from where people use their cars to where power plants get placed, because that's not the question it's addressing.

People live in neighborhoods.

Even if the pollution is identical, moving it from where everyone lives and works over to more isolated areas where power plants are would still be a big benefit.

We know EVs are cleaner than that. And when the pollution is centralized in one power plant it’s also more economically feasible to apply filtration or particle capture isn’t it?

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by tonymet »

MBCook wrote: post #28
princevegeta89 wrote: post #3

No surprises. No matter how we look at it, EVs are much friendlier and safer to the environment. Some people argue the source of electricty can be contested against because that involves fossil fuel burning again, but in today's world we are rapidly moving away from it and towards nuclear/hydel/wind methods for generating power. I hope ICE cars completely become a thing of the past in the next couple of decades to co…

The number of ICE cars I get stuck behind from time to time that just REEK is amazing. I’m in a decently well off area too. Some putting off soot clouds, white smoke, nothing visible but clearly not doing complete combustion. Sometimes I wonder if half the cylinders are even working. I’ve heard one car like that is the equivalent of a surprisingly large number of modern ICE cars is in good shape. I love EVs. I’ve had…

tragically, because of efficiency standards, modern engines are known to burn oil .

Otherwise you may be smelling cars who have had the cats stolen.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

tonymet wrote: post #32
MBCook wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of ICE cars I get stuck behind from time to time that just REEK is amazing. I’m in a decently well off area too. Some putting off soot clouds, white smoke, nothing visible but clearly not doing complete combustion. Sometimes I wonder if half the cylinders are even working. I’ve heard one car like that is the equivalent of a surprisingly large number of modern ICE cars is in good shape. I love EVs. I’ve had…

tragically, because of efficiency standards, modern engines are known to burn oil . Otherwise you may be smelling cars who have had the cats stolen.

A lot of old cars also since new cars are so expensive.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by rootusrootus »

loeg wrote: post #25
rootusrootus wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla's EV trucks need to deal the same hard kick to diesel trucks that they did to cars That won't happen until they design a normal truck. The Lightning sold more than the CT and it still ended up getting canceled(ish). It isn't going to be Tesla that does it, it will probably be someone else, and the driving factor is battery capacity. We've got a ways to go yet. It would help to have 400+ kWh batteries and mega…

The post-cancellation EREV Lightning is 99% an EV, for the purposes of air pollution. Agree with everything else.

That's why I said (ish). I agree, it's predominantly an EV. I hope they backpedal on the decision a bit and offer both an EREV and a regular EV at the same time. I'm quite happy with my Lightning and will buy another, but I'm not super interested in the EREV as it just adds expense, complexity, and maintenance requirements without offering me much additional functionality for my use case.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

tshaddox wrote: post #29
ares623 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just hope "dumb" EV's become a thing soon. I cannot and will not own a smart car any more I want to own a smart TV or smart fridge or smart toaster.

Are EVs more “smart” than comparably priced ICE vehicles?

Not really, they are just newer than the average ICE car. Parent wants an EV from the early 2000s or the 1990s.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by MBCook »

senectus1 wrote: post #6
1970-01-01 wrote: post #2

I was out skating today. Everyone was having a fun time until a diesel truck simply drove down the nearby road. It stunk up and polluted the frozen lake air for a solid few minutes. I hate diesel trucks with a passion and if I live long enough to see it happen, I will celebrate the day they become defunct. Tesla's EV trucks need to deal the same hard kick to diesel trucks that they did to cars.

yeah, its an interesting analogy with smokers and the smell and pollution they spread. they dont seem to notice it themselves, but the non smokers around them and up to 100 meters away all notice them.

I’m not sure that’s really the case here. There’s simply no way you can’t notice bad pollution from vehicles.

Standing near the average car isn’t that bad at all. EVs are way better, but it’s not that bad.

But stand near a car that has some sort of exhaust problem or isn’t burning fuel correctly and it’s bad. Just horrible to breathe.

I’ve found cabin air filters either activated carbon help immensely. I started buying them on someone’s recommendation but I had no idea how much they affected things.

I’ve driven on brand new asphalt and not noticed the smell. I’ve been behind horrible cars and I don’t notice a thing, unless I put my window down and then it suddenly hits me.

All of a sudden lately I’m smelling the terrible cars again. Time to change the filter.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by shmoe »

ares623 wrote: post #4
princevegeta89 wrote: post #3

No surprises. No matter how we look at it, EVs are much friendlier and safer to the environment. Some people argue the source of electricty can be contested against because that involves fossil fuel burning again, but in today's world we are rapidly moving away from it and towards nuclear/hydel/wind methods for generating power. I hope ICE cars completely become a thing of the past in the next couple of decades to co…

I just hope "dumb" EV's become a thing soon. I cannot and will not own a smart car any more I want to own a smart TV or smart fridge or smart toaster.

Have you met https://slate.auto ? :)

Doesn't even have automatic windows.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by tombert »

ares623 wrote: post #4
princevegeta89 wrote: post #3

No surprises. No matter how we look at it, EVs are much friendlier and safer to the environment. Some people argue the source of electricty can be contested against because that involves fossil fuel burning again, but in today's world we are rapidly moving away from it and towards nuclear/hydel/wind methods for generating power. I hope ICE cars completely become a thing of the past in the next couple of decades to co…

I just hope "dumb" EV's become a thing soon. I cannot and will not own a smart car any more I want to own a smart TV or smart fridge or smart toaster.

I don't love smart TVs either, but why not just buy a smart TV and not use the smart features? I have a few "smart TVs", but I haven't even connected them to Wi-Fi, and I instead opt for an Nvidia Shield TV or just a laptop computer plugged in instead.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by wilg »

tbrownaw wrote: post #22

This study is about air quality in neighborhoods . So it would show the same thing even if EVs just moved pollution from where people use their cars to where power plants get placed, because that's not the question it's addressing.

OK but we already know that EVs don't just move pollution around.
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