10% over a year, split into two waves isn't that extreme. It seems like 5%/year is sort of industry norm.
Not sure of your familiarity with FAANG pre-2022, but this is absolutely not the norm.
Amazon braces for another major round of layoffs, 14,000 jobs at risk
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn’t that the job? I’m not even sure what “understand AI” even means, from where I sit, it maybe means “add AI to everything” and that doesn’t seem that complicated. I’m not here to defend the people in Amazon corporate, I’m just not convinced it’s okay for a big rich corporation to hire all these people and then fire them on a whim. It’s not like Amazon can’t afford it.
no you dont understand, the whole career ladder at amazon is clogged with people at the company 10+ years, that have been in their role 5+ years. its a big game of dont get fired, and collect pay checks as long as possible
> its a big game of dont get fired, and collect pay checks as long as possible
That pretty much sums it up for 90% of the world's employment...
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn’t that the job? I’m not even sure what “understand AI” even means, from where I sit, it maybe means “add AI to everything” and that doesn’t seem that complicated. I’m not here to defend the people in Amazon corporate, I’m just not convinced it’s okay for a big rich corporation to hire all these people and then fire them on a whim. It’s not like Amazon can’t afford it.
no you dont understand, the whole career ladder at amazon is clogged with people at the company 10+ years, that have been in their role 5+ years. its a big game of dont get fired, and collect pay checks as long as possible
Yes that’s how jobs work; you go to work, do your job, try not to get fired, and get paid for the work you do.
Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
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#34Jassy's only lever for shareholder value. Sad.
They're fine expanding in India. Turns out announcing a $100k fee to distract from the Trump Gold Card announcement during the same press conference [3] leads to a reverse brain drain [0] and a $35B commitment to invest in India [1]. For example, much of AWS SageMaker's team is out of AWS India, and unofficially Amazonians on work visas are being offered transfers to India [2] while paying L6/7 [4] roughly the same a…
Same at Google (Poland and India are doing great)
Re: Amazon braces for another major round of layoffs, 14,000 jobs at risk
#3510% over a year, split into two waves isn't that extreme. It seems like 5%/year is sort of industry norm.
> It seems like 5%/year is sort of industry norm.
That's because the people running these companies learned the hard way not to write their collusion down, so now they just all totally coincidentally act in the same way that ends up driving wages down and keeping workers afraid and in line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...
Re: Amazon braces for another major round of layoffs, 14,000 jobs at risk
#36An AI bubble pop is going to create depression if this sort of thinking continues. Fire bright people to spend money on questuonable quality AI. If others follow we are saying "all in" and shoving the poker chips on more model improvements.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn’t that the job? I’m not even sure what “understand AI” even means, from where I sit, it maybe means “add AI to everything” and that doesn’t seem that complicated. I’m not here to defend the people in Amazon corporate, I’m just not convinced it’s okay for a big rich corporation to hire all these people and then fire them on a whim. It’s not like Amazon can’t afford it.
And, to be realistic, "add AI to everything" is a sure sign that the person does _not_ understand AI.
They might not understand ai, but they do understand how to keep their job and maybe get a promotion, while causing massive problems for everyone else to deal with.
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This is the WARN notice for the _previous_ layoff in October. Presumably they'll file another one for the next wave this week.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn’t that the job? I’m not even sure what “understand AI” even means, from where I sit, it maybe means “add AI to everything” and that doesn’t seem that complicated. I’m not here to defend the people in Amazon corporate, I’m just not convinced it’s okay for a big rich corporation to hire all these people and then fire them on a whim. It’s not like Amazon can’t afford it.
And, to be realistic, "add AI to everything" is a sure sign that the person does _not_ understand AI.
Tell that to the people cashing big checks at Microsoft and Google. ;-)
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#40[redacted due to non-useful information]
You're making a common mistake. WARN is for the _previous_ layoff. The way they execute these, they bump out your effective last day such that there is no WARN notice till after it's already announced.