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Re: White House Posts Altered Photo Showing Arrested Minnesota Protester Crying

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Post by mingus88 »

nicpottier wrote: post #22
nomilk wrote: post #17

(very) Important to note this doesn't appear to be an attempt at passing off a digitally altered (/AI generated) image as real, but rather the creation of a digitally altered image with the intent of mocking the individual. When I stumbled across the altered photo I immediately knew it was a joke (i.e. had been created using AI), although I didn't notice it was created by the White House (although that wouldn't have…

This photo did not scream AI to me but I'm not deep into internet trolling culture. I would love to be able to take photos that our government posts at face value. I find any defense of this kind of wild. These are the people in power? Even if it is a joke is this how we want the powerful treating us?

I hope you understand that you have never been able to take photos the gov releases at face value.

But today, we know this administration will openly lie, and double down in the face of any refutable proof. Literally since DAY ONE they tried to push a crowd size narrative that we all saw in real time was a lie.

Re: White House Posts Altered Photo Showing Arrested Minnesota Protester Crying

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Post by mysterydip »

NickC25 wrote: post #11
myrmidon wrote: post #4

Having the government manipulate mass-media material is frankly insane. Everyone involved in something like this should be sacked immediately, but I have very little hope that voters are going to punish egregious misbehavior like this as long as it's "their" side doing it. If you had told republican voters in 2016 that within the decade, there were going to be widespread searches/arrests by federal agents without war…

>They would have gone absolutely ballistic- rightfully so Sadly, I disagree here. They would have qualified their reaction by asking who would be in power. If it was a GOP held white house, they'd probably rationalize it and say it's good. Partisanship rot goes very deep on the republican side. Granted, the democrats suck, but the republicans fall in line every time without question.

As someone who has a largely republican family, ironically they say the same thing: “the republicans suck, but the democrats fall in line every time without question.”

Re: White House Posts Altered Photo Showing Arrested Minnesota Protester Crying

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Post by touwer »

spwa4 wrote: post #29
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

During France’s Reign of Terror, executions by guillotine were public. It was considered distinguished for victims to go stoically, and many did, which left the crowds to have their fun. I recall, however, and this may be apocryphal, that one woman went to the stand screaming and crying and begging for mercy. This humanized her. The crowds, soured to their revelry, went home. I am curious if her pleas were heard beca…

During France's Reign of Terror, the line towards the guillotine is rumored to have been over 4 kilometers long. 30% of Paris died. This done to kill the bourgeoisie, despite that over 90% of those executed didn't hold any titles. It turned into a massacre, and was replicated across France. The son of the king was locked up at age 8, alone, until he died, before his 11th birthday. The youngest person actually guillot…

Bs. I live in Paris. There is no evidence at all of 4 km or your other claims. The total number of executions in France during the Reign of Terror is estimated at around 16,000 to 40,000, with about 2,600 to 3,000 executions in Paris alone. Paris's population at the time was roughly 600,000, so the percentage of Parisians who died by execution was closer to 0.5%, not 30%.

Re: White House Posts Altered Photo Showing Arrested Minnesota Protester Crying

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Post by mingus88 »

krapp wrote: post #23

The cruelty is and has always been the point.

If you have read anything about Fred Trump and how he ran the family that Donald grew up in, it’s clear that cruelty is the only thing Donald really understands.

In fact, his rise to power in the Republican Party was primarily due to his ability to demean his opponents. He’s an insult comic, and enough people were fed up that they wanted this to happen.

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Post by acdha »

jrm4 wrote: post #5

Honestly, this should give hope for people worried about it. Not the fact that it was done, but the fact that the New York Times immediately posts about it. That's about the best you can ask for now that this tech is ubiquitous and not going back in the can.

The problem is that the NYT won’t post about everything and a large number of people won’t see it when they do or will immediately dismiss it as “fake news” because it’s politically inconvenient.

This is kind of like the difference between not polluting water and hoping that people will use filters.

Re: White House Posts Altered Photo Showing Arrested Minnesota Protester Crying

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Post by throwaway91827 »

spwa4 wrote: post #29
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

During France’s Reign of Terror, executions by guillotine were public. It was considered distinguished for victims to go stoically, and many did, which left the crowds to have their fun. I recall, however, and this may be apocryphal, that one woman went to the stand screaming and crying and begging for mercy. This humanized her. The crowds, soured to their revelry, went home. I am curious if her pleas were heard beca…

During France's Reign of Terror, the line towards the guillotine is rumored to have been over 4 kilometers long. 30% of Paris died. This done to kill the bourgeoisie, despite that over 90% of those executed didn't hold any titles. It turned into a massacre, and was replicated across France. The son of the king was locked up at age 8, alone, until he died, before his 11th birthday. The youngest person actually guillot…

Revolutionary terror in 1789 wasn't about killing the Bourgeisie- the French Revolution was a Bourgeois revolution- the Revolution was about overthrowing the Aristocracy, the nobles, the people with, as you say, titles- Being Bourgeois generally meant that you're common-born but well-educated and moneyed.

The fact that the Bourgeois of France were growing in real power, but completely unrepresented in the formal political systems in France, was one of the major pressure points that caused the entire system to explode into Revolutionary violence.

I think you're right to point out the irony that revolutionary violence mostly affected the common man, and not the aristocracy, but the "enemies of the revolution" were nobles, clergy, and their sympathizers (perceived or otherwise), not "the bourgeoisie".

Proletarian revolutions against the Bourgeois don't really happen until there IS an urban proletariat in the first place- in pre-industrial 1789, the bourgeois and the sans-culottes were grouped together socially in the "Third Estate".

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Post by HaZeust »

mysterydip wrote: post #33
NickC25 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They would have gone absolutely ballistic- rightfully so Sadly, I disagree here. They would have qualified their reaction by asking who would be in power. If it was a GOP held white house, they'd probably rationalize it and say it's good. Partisanship rot goes very deep on the republican side. Granted, the democrats suck, but the republicans fall in line every time without question.

As someone who has a largely republican family, ironically they say the same thing: “the republicans suck, but the democrats fall in line every time without question.”

While a generalization has the flaws of being, well, a generalization; I've noticed that this trope is at least more true than not when you qualify what TYPE of Democrats and Republicans you're talking about.

I think one is true of the representatives - Democrat constituents generally fall in line without question; whereas I think the other is true of the people - Republican voters generally fall in line without question.

The rot is deep for the constituents on either side, however. There's a LOT of incentive to preserve party/ideological status quo regardless of where you land.

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