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I'm not sure we should romanticize ADHD, which is what you call that region. If those people could be high SAT and high GPA they would prefer it. Signed, someone in that region.
Who said anything about ADHD?
Recent discoveries on the acquisition of the highest levels of human performance
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Re: Recent discoveries on the acquisition of the highest levels of human performance
#32Sounds like they're describing ADHD.
(Side note after the important ADHD joke: there's an old sport textbook called "Periodization" that mentions focusing on breadth rather than depth of sports experience in early life is a better path to olympic-level performance than just going hard in a single sport from a young age.)
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who said anything about ADHD?
That's who lives in that region, almost exclusively.
I annihilated the SATs. My grades were only good in high school because I was just "gifted" enough to get As without studying. I do not have and never had ADHD. I also never learned how to study.
I almost failed out of college. I didn't know how to study. I didn't have the habits. I sure had a lot of fun in high school and college though.
Re: Recent discoveries on the acquisition of the highest levels of human performance
#34Couldn't this be explained by Berkson's Paradox [0]? [0] https://xcancel.com/AlexGDimakis/status/2002848594953732521
It seems the criticism is indeed Berkson's Paradox, but the example is different to the canonical example of Berkson's paradox. In the canonical example, you have uncorrelated attributes, eg skill and attractiveness in actors, forming a round scatter plot with no correlation. Selecting a subpopulation of top actors who are either skilled or attractive, you get a negative correlation. You can visualize this as choppin…
Uncorrelated attributes:
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Looking at just the Included points shows clear (spurious) negative correlation.Correlated attributes:
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The Included points still have a negative spurious correlation, though it's smaller than for the uncorrelated cartoon.Re: Recent discoveries on the acquisition of the highest levels of human performance
#35Lower early life performance we with lots of multidisciplinary experience, later life hyperfocus on a specific discipline until world-class levels are reached. Sounds like they're describing ADHD. (Side note after the important ADHD joke: there's an old sport textbook called "Periodization" that mentions focusing on breadth rather than depth of sports experience in early life is a better path to olympic-level perform…
ADHD is not correlated with high career performance, sadly, and represents a real obstacle for those struggling with it. The current social media trend of equating ADHD to a superpower which propels people to focus intensely and excel is really unfortunate.
Re: Recent discoveries on the acquisition of the highest levels of human performance
#36Unintuitively, strength is a general adaptation that applies to all specific movements. A muscle is either strengthened across a range of motion, or it isn't; a muscle cannot be strong swinging a club while not strong lifting a weight, nor can it be strong holding a rock while weak holding a bar. It is optimal for most sports to train for general strength via barbells, and then to practice that strength via the sport. The rock climber should do heavy deadlifts and chinups to train his grip (and everything else), not special rock grip exercises, for the latter are difficult to progress in small increments and are inefficient in a time sense. A man who can do chinups with 150 pounds hanging from his waist, and who can hold a 550 pound barbell, will not have a problem hanging onto the bouldering wall; he need only practice his technique.
To the article's point, you should get "strong" in everything until you decide to practice that strength in one thing.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
in contrast: the sport i know best, hoops, a common pattern for generational players is for them to be late bloomers because they grow up short, developing skills and competitive toughness, then get lucky and grow a half-foot late in puberty
who is that? Not Lebron, definitely not Jokic, SGA was 4 star recruit?
Re: Recent discoveries on the acquisition of the highest levels of human performance
#38This is somewhat related to the application of strength to various sports and physical endeavors. Most sports utilize strength to a large degree, but it's usually in a narrow application, e.g. a golf swing, a sprinter's run, a rock climber's grip. The naive algorithm to improve at these sports is to practice them, and the slightly less naive method is to train for strength in that narrow application, for example you…
Re: Recent discoveries on the acquisition of the highest levels of human performance
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
in contrast: the sport i know best, hoops, a common pattern for generational players is for them to be late bloomers because they grow up short, developing skills and competitive toughness, then get lucky and grow a half-foot late in puberty
who is that? Not Lebron, definitely not Jokic, SGA was 4 star recruit?
Re: Recent discoveries on the acquisition of the highest levels of human performance
#40That could simply be explained by early high achievers being worked hard by their parents or something else while people with innate abilities making progress slower (because most people are not overworked). For the first group they sizzle either because the pressure is removed as they grow up or because they hit their ceiling.
My experience is almost the inverse of what you describe, I never had to work at all until university, I was a top performer until "physique 1: mécanique newtonienne" it was the first time (and the last) I failed at something academic. That was quite a shock to realize that I had to do the exercises and the homeworks if I wanted to pass. And since I was not use to efforts, I was no longer the top performer in classss…