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The Agentic AI Handbook: Production-Ready Patterns

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Re: The Agentic AI Handbook: Production-Ready Patterns

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Post by tmountain »

alkonaut wrote: post #20

All of this might as well be greek to me. I use ChatGPT and copy paste code snippets. Which was bleeding edge a year or two ago, and now it feels like banging rocks together when reading these types of articles. I never had any luck integrating agents, MCP, using tools etc. Like if I'm not ready to jump on some AI-spiced up special IDE, am I then going to just be left banging rocks together? It feels like some of the…

I used to do it the way you were doing it. A friend went to a hackathon and everyone was using Cursor and insisted that I try it. It lets you set project level "rules" that are basically prompts for how you want things done. It has access to your entire repo. You tell the agent what you want to do, and it does it, and allows you to review it. It's that simple; although, you can take it much further if you want or need to. For me, this is a massive leap forward on its own. I'm still getting up to speed with reproducible prompt patterns like TFA mentions, but it's okay to work incrementally towards better results.

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Post by jbstack »

Bishonen88 wrote: post #13

AI written article about AI usage, building things with AI that others will use to build their own AI with. The future is now indeed.

I feel like HN should have a policy of discouraging comments which accuse articles and other comments of being written by AI. We all know this happens, we all know it's a possibility, and often such comments may even be correct. But seeing this type of comment dozens of times a day on all sorts of different content is tedious. It almost feels like nobody can write anything anymore without someone immediately jumping up and saying "You used AI to write that!".

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Post by simianparrot »

jbstack wrote: post #33
Bishonen88 wrote: post #13

AI written article about AI usage, building things with AI that others will use to build their own AI with. The future is now indeed.

I feel like HN should have a policy of discouraging comments which accuse articles and other comments of being written by AI. We all know this happens, we all know it's a possibility, and often such comments may even be correct. But seeing this type of comment dozens of times a day on all sorts of different content is tedious. It almost feels like nobody can write anything anymore without someone immediately jumping…

No. Public shaming for sharing AI written slop is what we need more of.

Re: The Agentic AI Handbook: Production-Ready Patterns

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Post by comboy »

Here's a pattern I noticed - you notice some pattern that is working (let's say planning or TODO management) - if the pattern is indeed solid then it gets integrated into the black box and your agent starts doing that internally. At which point your abstraction on top becomes defective because agents get confused about planning the planning.

So with the top performers I think what's most effective is just stating clearly what the end result you want to be (with maybe some hints for verification of results which is just clarifying the intent more)

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Post by catlifeonmars »

embedding-shape wrote: post #23

> The Real Bottleneck: Time Already a "no", the bottleneck is "drowning under your own slop". Ever noticed how fast agents seems to be able to do their work in the beginning of the project, but the larger it grows, it seems to get slower at doing good changes that doesn't break other things? This is because you're missing the "engineering" part of software engineering, where someone has to think about the domain, des…

> Moving slower is usually faster long-term granted you think about the design, but obviously slower short-term, which makes it kind of counter-intuitive.

Like an old mentor of mine used to say:

“Slow is smooth; smooth is fast”

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Post by cobolexpert »

hahahahhaah wrote: post #21
alkonaut wrote: post #20

All of this might as well be greek to me. I use ChatGPT and copy paste code snippets. Which was bleeding edge a year or two ago, and now it feels like banging rocks together when reading these types of articles. I never had any luck integrating agents, MCP, using tools etc. Like if I'm not ready to jump on some AI-spiced up special IDE, am I then going to just be left banging rocks together? It feels like some of the…

I feel like just use claude code. That is it. Use it you get the feel for it. Everyone is over complicating. It is like learning to code itself. You need flight hours.

This is something that continues to surprise me. LLMs are extremely flexible and already come prepackaged with a lot of "knowledge", you don't need to dump hundreds of lines of text to explain to it what good software development practices are. I suspect these frameworks/patterns just fill up the context with unecessary junk.

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Post by jbstack »

simianparrot wrote: post #34
jbstack wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like HN should have a policy of discouraging comments which accuse articles and other comments of being written by AI. We all know this happens, we all know it's a possibility, and often such comments may even be correct. But seeing this type of comment dozens of times a day on all sorts of different content is tedious. It almost feels like nobody can write anything anymore without someone immediately jumping…

No. Public shaming for sharing AI written slop is what we need more of.

Such public shaming loses its value when it's overused though (see: boy who cried wolf). The "written by AI" accusation is thrown around so much, when it often isn't even true, that it just triggers scepticism as the initial reaction. At least, it does for me.

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Post by prettygood »

alkonaut wrote: post #20

All of this might as well be greek to me. I use ChatGPT and copy paste code snippets. Which was bleeding edge a year or two ago, and now it feels like banging rocks together when reading these types of articles. I never had any luck integrating agents, MCP, using tools etc. Like if I'm not ready to jump on some AI-spiced up special IDE, am I then going to just be left banging rocks together? It feels like some of the…

I'm so happy someone else says this, because I'm doing exactly the same. I tried to use agent mode in vs code and the output was still bad. You read simple things like: "We use it to write tests". I gave it a very simple repository, said to write tests, and the result wasn't usable at all. Really wonder if I'm doing it wrong.
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