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Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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Post by deeg »

everybodyknows wrote: post #29
deeg wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As of right now there is no mention of this on the Fox News web site, so a lot of Americans don't know about it.

Had to type into their search box to find it -- published yesterday: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/why-trump-zeroed-greenland-... Credulously echoes Trump's claims that rare earth deposits there are of strategic value.

And note it doesn't include trumps letter blaming Norway for not giving him a peace prize.

Looks like even fox has an article on their front page now.

Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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Post by Manheim »

eudamoniac wrote: post #30

FWIW this was a text message, not a letter. As such I think this qualifies as somewhat fake news. As to the content, it's obviously deranged. I hope this Greenland shit stops soon.

I wouldn't say that. From the article; "The text was forwarded by the White House National Security Council to ambassadors in Washington, and was clearly intended to be widely shared. Here it is":

Dear Jonas:

Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only a boat that landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT

Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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Post by eudamoniac »

Manheim wrote: post #33
eudamoniac wrote: post #30

FWIW this was a text message, not a letter. As such I think this qualifies as somewhat fake news. As to the content, it's obviously deranged. I hope this Greenland shit stops soon.

I wouldn't say that. From the article; "The text was forwarded by the White House National Security Council to ambassadors in Washington, and was clearly intended to be widely shared. Here it is": Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now…

The article is an opinion piece that cites a tweet. Primary sources seem to only call it "a text message"

Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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Post by JohnFen »

Manheim wrote: post #2

As a Norwegian, I am genuinely curious how US citizens are reacting to Trump’s letter To Norway and demands. Setting politics aside for a moment: Is there actual public support in the USA for demanding territory from Denmark? I see polling suggesting that the overwhelming majority of Americans, around 75%, oppose the idea of purchasing or seizing Greenland. It clearly isn't a popular demand among the general public.…

> As a Norwegian, I am genuinely curious how US citizens are reacting to Trump’s letter To Norway and demands.

Almost all of the people around me are ashamed about this, and more than a little fearful. There is a huge opposition to the notion, not only because it's betraying our allies and weakening our place on the world stage, but also because it's an impossible-to-miss sign that our nation is in the process of collapse.

If there's anything that mutes the response to this, it's the fact that the feds are violently attacking our own citizenry and that's a more immediate problem.

Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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Post by bediger4000 »

microtonal wrote: post #13
bediger4000 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do the people who voted for Trump actually back him on this specific issue? Please excuse me if I am repeating something you've heard. Some fraction of the people who voted for Trump don't back him on this, or maybe any other issue. The US mass media is owned by oligarchs, and the oligarchs like Trump, so he has not been reported on completely or honestly since 2017, early in his first term. That fraction voted for s…

This part of Trump's voters would back anything he'd say or do, regardless of relation to reality. Luckily, the oligarch owned press is nearly omnipresent, and does not report honestly or completely on Trump, his behavior, so that fraction of voters can keep on believing in Trump as God King. But the oligarchs would probably not be happy about a devastating trade war (I guess some are happy to buy up all assets and m…

I think you mean "oligarchs" for they. I have no answer, I'm just a peasant in today's America. My economic interests absolutely do not align with oligachs'. I expect the oligarchs as a class don't think they'll personally be too handicapped by trade wars, and see some way to make more money out of it. Maybe Trump has promised them fiefdoms in a fragmented and demoralized US.

My specific knowledge does not allow me to say why they aren't (or are, behind the scenes) trying to stop the Greenland nonsense. It seems likely that Trump has promised them a slice of the extraction wealth, or that the oligarchs as a group don't see much trouble arising from a Trump takeover of Greenland, so they're just letting him do it rather than annoy him, or his easily angered base.

Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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Post by ako »

JohnFen wrote: post #36
Manheim wrote: post #2

As a Norwegian, I am genuinely curious how US citizens are reacting to Trump’s letter To Norway and demands. Setting politics aside for a moment: Is there actual public support in the USA for demanding territory from Denmark? I see polling suggesting that the overwhelming majority of Americans, around 75%, oppose the idea of purchasing or seizing Greenland. It clearly isn't a popular demand among the general public.…

> As a Norwegian, I am genuinely curious how US citizens are reacting to Trump’s letter To Norway and demands. Almost all of the people around me are ashamed about this, and more than a little fearful. There is a huge opposition to the notion, not only because it's betraying our allies and weakening our place on the world stage, but also because it's an impossible-to-miss sign that our nation is in the process of col…

It's time to seriously consider that Trump is Poetin's puppet and he's basically executing on Poetin's wish to destroy the west. Or Trump has just completely lost it.

Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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Post by sn9 »

Ancalagon wrote: post #12
Manheim wrote: post #2

As a Norwegian, I am genuinely curious how US citizens are reacting to Trump’s letter To Norway and demands. Setting politics aside for a moment: Is there actual public support in the USA for demanding territory from Denmark? I see polling suggesting that the overwhelming majority of Americans, around 75%, oppose the idea of purchasing or seizing Greenland. It clearly isn't a popular demand among the general public.…

Well, if how r/conservative is reacting is anything to go by, even the most hardcore MAGA and Russian bots do not seem to agree with this.

Give them time to figure out the mental gymnastics. They always do.

Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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Post by seper8 »

gist wrote: post #4
Manheim wrote: post #2

As a Norwegian, I am genuinely curious how US citizens are reacting to Trump’s letter To Norway and demands. Setting politics aside for a moment: Is there actual public support in the USA for demanding territory from Denmark? I see polling suggesting that the overwhelming majority of Americans, around 75%, oppose the idea of purchasing or seizing Greenland. It clearly isn't a popular demand among the general public.…

Have been following Trump since the 1970's. This is a negotiating tactic of his and actually it's a somewhat common negotiating tactic that many people follow when in a negotiation for something they want. Behaviorally anything less than the original demand seems more acceptable. Think of if you were diagnosed with a dreaded disease and then found out you had a lesser disease. The lesser disease by contrast seems les…

Oh yeah it's so common to threaten allied counties to get what you want. What the hell are you even saying. Stop trying to normalize this insanity.
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