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Post by obscurette »

b3lvedere wrote: post #12
emmelaich wrote: post #5

Australia's social media ban for young teenagers is probably a good thing but time will tell.

While, as a parent, i don't like social media in its current form and the effect it has on ALL people, one must not forget that the 'fight' between old and young people has been going for at least 2500 years now. ( https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-a... ). I also recommend watching the movie 'The Boat That Rocked' ( https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1131729/ )

There is no fight actually and noone is complaining "kids these days" at the moment. KIds are not the ones to blame in current situation. It's 100% work left undone by previous generations.

Re: 40% of Kids Can't Read and Teachers Are Quitting [video]

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Post by vorpalhex »

robshep wrote: post #21
jdalgetty wrote: post #16

This is 100% the fault of parents.

Parents (myself included) have an impossible task of regulating access to technology for their children. Societal norms are not aligned with what these educators are saying. I and many other parents know this but they are exposed to technology outside of our direct oversight at schools, friends and relatives houses. Imagine whining about smoking in the first half of the 20th century or even the 60s and 70s. Sure ther…

No, you don't need "superhuman levels of willpower to avoid social media entrapment". Just block the damn sites. Delete your account before you do. No you don't need to keep up with Timmy from the 8th grade and his third marriage and worsening benzo addiction.

People smoked for the same reason people doomscroll - anxiety.

You can expose your kid to technology and also explain the role of moderation the same way you do with candy and sweets. You will need to model the behavior you want in your kid - that means putting your phone down. Buy a timed lockbox if that is what you need.

Re: 40% of Kids Can't Read and Teachers Are Quitting [video]

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Post by obscurette »

werdnapk wrote: post #9
thecompilr wrote: post #7

Don’t they still need to read what AI writes? Or did they skip to the TTS stage?

You can "talk" to AI, so I assume this is what they'd be referring to. No need to write prompts or read responses.

That's not THE problem. The problem is that they can't encode/decode text. They lack experience, vocabulary, knowledge and all these little small things needed to communicate via (not necessarily written) text. It's not dyslexia.

Re: 40% of Kids Can't Read and Teachers Are Quitting [video]

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Post by eudamoniac »

werdnapk wrote: post #2

From the summary of video: "40% of fourth graders can't read. Kids are asking their teachers why they need to learn to read when AI can do it for them. Social media has destroyed their attention spans and now teachers aren't teaching, instead they're managing withdrawal symptoms." Why are fourth graders on social media and using AI already? My fourth grade kid has no social media presence and definitely isn't familia…

Some kids (parents, really) are beyond helping. They drag everyone in the classroom down and there's nothing a teacher can do about it. The kids are ruined because their parents ruined them. These kids need to be held back, separated, and/or expelled to give the rest of them a chance at a real education. This will require a change to incentives and laws, the first step of which is this growing awareness and dread of the situation.

Re: 40% of Kids Can't Read and Teachers Are Quitting [video]

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Post by UltraSane »

eudamoniac wrote: post #34
werdnapk wrote: post #2

From the summary of video: "40% of fourth graders can't read. Kids are asking their teachers why they need to learn to read when AI can do it for them. Social media has destroyed their attention spans and now teachers aren't teaching, instead they're managing withdrawal symptoms." Why are fourth graders on social media and using AI already? My fourth grade kid has no social media presence and definitely isn't familia…

Some kids (parents, really) are beyond helping. They drag everyone in the classroom down and there's nothing a teacher can do about it. The kids are ruined because their parents ruined them. These kids need to be held back, separated, and/or expelled to give the rest of them a chance at a real education. This will require a change to incentives and laws, the first step of which is this growing awareness and dread of…

This is one of the biggest issues. We allow children who do not want to and will not learn to destroy the education of those who do. We used to understand this and expel the disruptive students to allow the good students to actually learn.

Re: 40% of Kids Can't Read and Teachers Are Quitting [video]

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Post by UltraSane »

obscurette wrote: post #33
werdnapk wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can "talk" to AI, so I assume this is what they'd be referring to. No need to write prompts or read responses.

That's not THE problem. The problem is that they can't encode/decode text. They lack experience, vocabulary, knowledge and all these little small things needed to communicate via (not necessarily written) text. It's not dyslexia.

It takes thousands of hours of reading and writing to get competent at both.

Re: 40% of Kids Can't Read and Teachers Are Quitting [video]

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Post by eudamoniac »

robshep wrote: post #21
jdalgetty wrote: post #16

This is 100% the fault of parents.

Parents (myself included) have an impossible task of regulating access to technology for their children. Societal norms are not aligned with what these educators are saying. I and many other parents know this but they are exposed to technology outside of our direct oversight at schools, friends and relatives houses. Imagine whining about smoking in the first half of the 20th century or even the 60s and 70s. Sure ther…

Exposure outside the home is a miniscule amount and could not result in this sort of deep rot. It's not an impossible task at all. Don't give the kids a screen, and when it's necessary, use site whitelists. Yes, they will be mildly alienated, but I don't think we should care. They would also be alienated if their peers all smoked, and I would still not consider giving my kid a pack of cigs. They will recover from an unpopular school life, but they may never recover from the effects of addictive technology.

Re: 40% of Kids Can't Read and Teachers Are Quitting [video]

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

werdnapk wrote: post #2

From the summary of video: "40% of fourth graders can't read. Kids are asking their teachers why they need to learn to read when AI can do it for them. Social media has destroyed their attention spans and now teachers aren't teaching, instead they're managing withdrawal symptoms." Why are fourth graders on social media and using AI already? My fourth grade kid has no social media presence and definitely isn't familia…

Shocked to hear that some children are on social media in grade 4!

Re: 40% of Kids Can't Read and Teachers Are Quitting [video]

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

vorpalhex wrote: post #32
robshep wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parents (myself included) have an impossible task of regulating access to technology for their children. Societal norms are not aligned with what these educators are saying. I and many other parents know this but they are exposed to technology outside of our direct oversight at schools, friends and relatives houses. Imagine whining about smoking in the first half of the 20th century or even the 60s and 70s. Sure ther…

No, you don't need "superhuman levels of willpower to avoid social media entrapment". Just block the damn sites. Delete your account before you do. No you don't need to keep up with Timmy from the 8th grade and his third marriage and worsening benzo addiction. People smoked for the same reason people doomscroll - anxiety. You can expose your kid to technology and also explain the role of moderation the same way you d…

Should you delete the HN account?

I don't think I am on social medias at all, but I am on Discord and on HN, so effectively I am.

I am not behind an algorithmic driven feed, but I do use RSS feeds

Where is the line?

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