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Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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As a veteran, I have optimism these active duty military troops will recognize their duty. "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". ICE is the best example of a domestic enemy I have seen.

Law of war training for new troops was eliminated back in April.[1] The core concept that members of the US military have a duty to resist illegal orders is no longer taught to troops.

Recall Trump's comments after several US members of Congress made a video along the lines of "you must refuse illegal orders." Trump called this "seditious behavior, punishable by DEATH!"[2]

[1] https://www.veterannews.org/veteran-news/army-eliminates-sev...

[2] https://www.npr.org/2025/11/20/nx-s1-5615190/trump-democrats...

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Trump is on the cusp of inciting a civil war and it's Biden's fault ! As Nazis blamed Jews for everything, Magas blame Biden.

They blame immigrants (something the Nazis also did) and liberals (Nazis were very anti-left and killed lots of communists, homosexuals, etc…in addition to Jews).

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Genuine question to US folks: Why do you guys seem to be hell bent on keeping and welcoming large number of illegal immigrants in your country? Almost no other country does that except western ones. From an outsider’s viewpoint, current approach of letting almost anyone in does not seem to work that well.

The US is a huge country with a massive economy and large borders. There are many jobs for migrants to do. It's why at times Trump has appeared to backtrack on hardline deportation stance, saying undocumented farm and hotel workers are hard working and needed. Likely because businesses called him worried they would lose too many workers.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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This presidency reminds me a lot this speech from Knives Out: Onion Ring: “ If you want to shake things up, you start with something small. You break a norm or an idea or a convention, some little business model, but you go with things that people are kind of tired of anyway. Everybody gets excited because you're busting up something that everyone wanted broken in the first place. That's the infraction point. That's…

It's Knives Out: Glass Onion, but I'll take Onion Ring because it's Monday morning and I need a laugh before signing on.

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Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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As a veteran, I have optimism these active duty military troops will recognize their duty. "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". ICE is the best example of a domestic enemy I have seen.

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This and and the previous comment really highlights the true political divide between the Americans. I wonder if it is a flaw of such 2-party system (both that lean to the right-, and thus are inflexible to other political views) where others can't find space for less-extreme political views and ideas, and thus exacerbating the situation as people are forced to bracket themselves to only these two parties?

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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It's amazing and sad to watch Republicans so quickly forget what 'Republic' means as they trash State Sovereignty and lick the Federal Boot...MAGA means RINO.

I guess "Don't Tread on Me" and states rights are just for red states. It's shameful watching all the hypocrisy.

Any time the red states brought up "States Rights", the response from the other side was "States rights to what? Oh...you mean slavery."

So what States Rights are we supporting now?

Both sides are very good at developing and using tactics against the other then acting surprised Pikachu when it is turned back on them.

Look at journalists and "Learn to Code"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19358725

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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French here, what was the the 2nd Amendment already? > A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. A yes, "necessary to the security of a free State", so, what about it?

After the Civil War, nearly all states gave up on maintaining their own independent militia and they became the National Guard (a few states maintain poorly provisioned state guards). Ostensibly the Guard is run by the states but can be federalized at any time. Previous presidents only used that to deploy the Guard overseas, with a few exceptions (notably Eisenhower, to enforce the early civil rights legislation and court decisions). Unfortunately those powers were never reformed, so Trump has already deployed them domestically (though there have been court decisions against that), but it effectively means states can't use the Guard to protect against federal aggression (it would simply be immediately federalized). Any attempt to actually deploy state troops against federal law enforcement, even when they're aren't justly enforcing laws, would be met with the Insurrection Act, allowing the deployment of active duty troops against the states, not just the Guard. Trump has been eagerly awaiting that moment, as it would allow him to completely cut the state off from the rest of the country, including Congress (you're in rebellion, you have no representation), and lock their elections in legal limbo.

Nowadays, the 2A is used simply to guarantee gun access to individuals, a movement underway since the early civil rights movement in the late '50s and largely confirmed with the Heller decision in '08. Unfortunately, that movement didn't bring any right to actually resist government overreach, which is why we haven't seen citizen militias form to violently resist ICE's own violence. They'd simply be killed and imprisoned and used to justify an increase in violence.

Personally, these events have really exposed the moral bankruptcy of the modern 2A movement. They want guns, and the attendant increase in shootings that accompany that, but have brought no real ability to resist government violence along with it. So we have the negative without the purported positive.

Obviously the next Congress and President will need to reform how the Guard works and how it can be deployed, otherwise we'll see this again.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The militias are cosplaying cowards, the actual people of Minnesota are ramping up and succeeding in resisting ICE. There is a nonzero chance there will be a standoff between the national guard and the army in Minneapolis. Trump is trying to incite an insurrection so he politically gets a free hand to do whatever he wants. If Congress and the courts are too slow or too cowardly to get anything done, he might get what…

What militias? I always thought the state nat guard were the modern militias not the fat old man LARPers you hear talking in gun stores.

civilians vs persons enlisted as government forces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia

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