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Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

#31

Post by Mashimo »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #19
ryan-c wrote: post #18

opens blog post sees lunduke closes blog post

For us not in the know, why is this bad? Is he ""bigoted"" ? :(

I have no idea who he is, never heard of him. You shall not judge a book by its cover but .. he is making it hard. His video titles are:

* Devuan: The Non-Woke Debian Linux Fork (Without Systemd)

* NeoFetch But in Rust and More Gay

* Chimera Linux is "Here to Further Woke Agenda by Turning Free Software Gay"

* Are Jews the Cause of DEI in Big Tech?

Yeah .. I did not watch a single video of his. But just from a short few seconds It's not anything I want to invest time in to see if he has a point or not. Life is too short.

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

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Post by argsnd »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #28
badc0ffee wrote: post #8

I remember booting up Debian into an X11 session on a laptop with only 8 MB of RAM. (This would have been circa 2000, and I think I had to try a few different distros before finding one that worked. Also I don't think I did anything with it beyond Xterm and Xeyes.)

I don’t know how resolution maps to ram in x11 but I assume at least one byte per pixel. Based on that assumption, there’s no chance you’d even be able to power a 4k monitor with 8mb of ram, let alone the rest of the system.

Presumably every pixel is 32 bits rather than just 8. So the count starts at 33.2MB just for the display.

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

#33

Post by stavros »

argsnd wrote: post #32
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know how resolution maps to ram in x11 but I assume at least one byte per pixel. Based on that assumption, there’s no chance you’d even be able to power a 4k monitor with 8mb of ram, let alone the rest of the system.

Presumably every pixel is 32 bits rather than just 8. So the count starts at 33.2MB just for the display.

It is now, but back then it was 1 byte, with typical resolutions being 800x600. There were high-color modes but for a period it was rare to have good enough hardware for it.

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

#34

Post by guenthert »

badc0ffee wrote: post #8

I remember booting up Debian into an X11 session on a laptop with only 8 MB of RAM. (This would have been circa 2000, and I think I had to try a few different distros before finding one that worked. Also I don't think I did anything with it beyond Xterm and Xeyes.)

That would have been then already some kind of anachronism. 8MiB RAM was workable (but only barely so with X11) in the early nineties. Late nineties 64MiB or more were common.

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

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Post by blackhaz »

badc0ffee wrote: post #8

I remember booting up Debian into an X11 session on a laptop with only 8 MB of RAM. (This would have been circa 2000, and I think I had to try a few different distros before finding one that worked. Also I don't think I did anything with it beyond Xterm and Xeyes.)

I am amazed to discover that Xfce of that era was so CDEsque: https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/2000/xfce-3.3/help.h...

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

#36

Post by stavros »

badc0ffee wrote: post #8

I remember booting up Debian into an X11 session on a laptop with only 8 MB of RAM. (This would have been circa 2000, and I think I had to try a few different distros before finding one that worked. Also I don't think I did anything with it beyond Xterm and Xeyes.)

My first PC had 16 MB of RAM, which later obviously became too slow to be usable. I remember I had to wait around a minute for Fallout to load a level, which you had to do fairly frequently.

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

#37

Post by flohofwoe »

giamma wrote: post #12

It used to be like that, computer had limited resources and desktop environments were light. Then at some point RAM became less and less of an issue, and everything started to get bigger and less efficient. Coyuld anyone summarize why a desktop Windows/MacOs now needs so much more RAM than in the past? is it the UI animations, color themes, shades etc etc or is it the underlying operating system that has more and mor…

> is it the UI animations, color themes, shades etc etc or is it the underlying operating system that has more and more features, services etc etc ?

...all of those and more? New software is only optimized until it is not outright annoying to use on current hardware, it's always been like that and that's why there are old jokes like:

    "What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away."

    "Software is like a gas, it expands to consume all available hardware resources."

    "Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster"
...etc..etc... variations of those "laws" are as old as computing.

Sometimes there are short periods where the hardware pulls a little bit ahead for a few short years of bliss (for instance the ARM Macs), but the software quickly catches up and soon everything feels as slow as always (or worse).

That also means that the easiest way to a slick computing experience is to run old software on new hardware ;)

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

#38

Post by daitangio »

badc0ffee wrote: post #8

I remember booting up Debian into an X11 session on a laptop with only 8 MB of RAM. (This would have been circa 2000, and I think I had to try a few different distros before finding one that worked. Also I don't think I did anything with it beyond Xterm and Xeyes.)

Me too, but I was able to do it around 1995-1996 :) Also remember Windows95 can boot with 4MB of RAM, and was decent with 12MB.

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

#39

Post by bigpeopleareold »

Mashimo wrote: post #31
heraldgeezer wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For us not in the know, why is this bad? Is he ""bigoted"" ? :(

I have no idea who he is, never heard of him. You shall not judge a book by its cover but .. he is making it hard. His video titles are: * Devuan: The Non-Woke Debian Linux Fork (Without Systemd) * NeoFetch But in Rust and More Gay * Chimera Linux is "Here to Further Woke Agenda by Turning Free Software Gay" * Are Jews the Cause of DEI in Big Tech? Yeah .. I did not watch a single video of his. But just from a short…

Whatever I might agree or disagree with, this is annoying to look at, but his stuff keeps coming up in my YouTube feed. Even it looks slightly interesting, I know it will be some rant involved about a thing not related to technology, but some developer's personal opinions on non-tech ideas. I get it - people are horrible! Sheesh!

FWIW, probably not much, he said he had a Jewish background ... in, like, the one video I watched and eventually gave up on.

Re: 200 MB RAM FreeBSD desktop

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

Mashimo wrote: post #31
heraldgeezer wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For us not in the know, why is this bad? Is he ""bigoted"" ? :(

I have no idea who he is, never heard of him. You shall not judge a book by its cover but .. he is making it hard. His video titles are: * Devuan: The Non-Woke Debian Linux Fork (Without Systemd) * NeoFetch But in Rust and More Gay * Chimera Linux is "Here to Further Woke Agenda by Turning Free Software Gay" * Are Jews the Cause of DEI in Big Tech? Yeah .. I did not watch a single video of his. But just from a short…

> NeoFetch But in Rust and More Gay

apt-install --fuck-yes gay-rust-neofetch

I’ll look to migrate to chimera shortly, but only if it includes gay neofetch.

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