It's AWS. Would it not still be subject to the CLOUD act? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act
Seems like a lot of work to still have data that can be exfiltrated by the US.
Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud
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#32How sovereign is a data center owned by a US firm? What does sovereign mean in this context?
it's whitewashing. The US Cloud Act means they can still take the data.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
How much can we trust this so-called sovereign cloud? That's a sincere question. I can't think of a more American company than Amazon, and I find it hard to believe that it could be completely independent from its American headquarters. I really hope that Europe will get its act together rather than relying on this half-hearted solution.
They claim the "AWS European Sovereign Cloud represents a physically and logically separate cloud infrastructure, with all components located entirely within the EU" and that it operates entirely under German laws, but I think your skepticism is warranted. I think Europe should push for its own solutions rather than fuel oligarchy/authoritarianism, if they are serious about their own security and preserving liberal v…
If you think deeply and logically, you will see that those text and even some legal details are just marketing that aims smart people. because in case of war or some serious conflict, they will be obeying the parent company and orders of usa government. see ICJ prosecutors and microsoft, you have real proof live, if you can connect some dots.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ultimately everyone reports to the CEO. They will just put enough Amazon CEOs to jail, until one grants access.
On the list of the things I doubt nowadays, an Amazon or Amazon subsidiary CEO going to jail is way up at the top. They’ll get a national security letter for sure, but no one’s going to jail.
The one thing I’ve learned without it taking a stupid long time is that there’s no more things that are too ridiculous to imagine happening. The American regime is an irrational actor. They’ll do whatever.
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#36Dear smart people on HN, what do you make of this? I understand most of you are US based. Is that Amazon getting ready for serious trade war, US/EU?
They’ve been planning this for a while. These datacentres and organisations don’t spring up overnight, especially at this scale.
I know at least one major European bank made it a requirement upon AWS to provide essentially this service. I believe back around 2020 or maybe a bit earlier.
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#37Earlier discussion (4 days ago, 67 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46640462
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#38It's AWS. Would it not still be subject to the CLOUD act? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act Seems like a lot of work to still have data that can be exfiltrated by the US.
Correct, this is meaningless. It's purely to provide a facade for companies and countries who are still fully in bed with US big tech, so they have something to point at and can delay the inevitable for longer.
Another goal with this is to muddy the waters on the word "sovereign" in relation to tech e.g. "cloud". This is a big reason why they've chosen this exact name. Now every discussion regarding it is more prone to devolve into "but what does it really mean!? Amazon has a 'sovereign cloud'!!". Taking time away from discussing the core and actual sovereign cloud.
It's the umpteenth despicable play by US big tech. It doesn't matter what guarantees they give, the US is in charge of anything remotely related to Amazon, even if they set up "independent subsidiaries", do everything through "local partners" and what not.
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#39The Souvereign Cloud is as souvereign as the German Democratic Republic was democratic.
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#40This is hilarious
Since it is a US company, it is still subject to cloud act, US intelligence full access, and Trumps ability to ignore any and all laws and contracts. Microsoft execs, who have similar offerings, have confirmed this under oath.
So either this is a valiant attempt by AWS that is ultimately misguided, or it is an attempt to capture customers without even a hint of legal expertise.
AWS, Azure and GC stand to lose all EU customers in the next years. They simply must, given that no data with them is secure from Trump’s admin or industrial espionage. This does not help that