Live data from Hacker News

Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

clashreport.com

31–40 of 192 posts

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

#31
renewables will win the long game.

batteries are becoming dirt cheap, decentral production wins amidst clusterfucking climate catastrophes. solar and wind already are cheaper than anything else. the markets will adjust, simple as that.

any push to prolong the transition simply benefits fossil stakeholders.

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

#32
post #7

Was that not clear from the beginning? Nobody ever claimed it was for strategic purposes, the narrative was "we don't like nuclear anything, we will get rid of it we can bear the costs". So I don't think you could even call it a strategic mistake, but masochism maybe? Especially while keeping the exit date in the height of the fallout of a real strategic mistake, the dependence on cheap russian gas.

I’d call it stupidity rather than masochism.

It wasn’t that hard to see that energy needs were only going to increase rather than diminish. And not because of ai datacenters, but (to make a simple example) for example because of the already ongoing at the time push for the electrification of the automotive industry.

It’s also crazy that the initiative was supposed at all by environmentalists.

Anyway, props to Mertz for admitting the mistake, we’ll see if they will fix it somehow.

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

#33
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With your history surely the far right wouldn't get that amount of power ever again... right...? Oh... wait....

The far right in Germany now calls themselves pacifists :-D Nevertheless, I would feel much safer living in a EU that has serious nuclear deterrence capabilities.

well France is still in the EU and has nukes (including some in nuclear submarines), for what it's worth. Though it's not a given that the French would use their nukes to defend the EU.

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

#35
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a populist move because a big chunk of the electorate is German moms and German grandmas who are absolutely terrified of radiation post Chernobyl.

Also post Fukushima.

Fukushima sure, but a lot of women were traumatized by Chernobyl and the news of a cloud of radioactive dust that was going to give them all cancer. I think Fukushima just reingnited those fears.

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

#36
post #7

Was that not clear from the beginning? Nobody ever claimed it was for strategic purposes, the narrative was "we don't like nuclear anything, we will get rid of it we can bear the costs". So I don't think you could even call it a strategic mistake, but masochism maybe? Especially while keeping the exit date in the height of the fallout of a real strategic mistake, the dependence on cheap russian gas.

Nonsense. The Greens and all the anti-nuclear were absolutely convinced and never stopped screaming that nuclear was absurdly expensive and the energy price would go down. They over and over again claimed nuclear was bad financially.

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

#38
post #7

Was that not clear from the beginning? Nobody ever claimed it was for strategic purposes, the narrative was "we don't like nuclear anything, we will get rid of it we can bear the costs". So I don't think you could even call it a strategic mistake, but masochism maybe? Especially while keeping the exit date in the height of the fallout of a real strategic mistake, the dependence on cheap russian gas.

My money is on Russian meddling, to make Germany dependent or Russian gas. Which happened. Until the US blew up the pipeline, and now Germany is dependent on US gas.

That's nonsense. Large parts of the German Left has been incredibly anti-nuclear for 40+ years. And by the 80s they killed further investment. And by the 90s it was clear that nuclear was temporary and was going to be killed.

The right was never anti-nuclear, but they were more pro-gas and pro-coal.

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

#39
post #7

Was that not clear from the beginning? Nobody ever claimed it was for strategic purposes, the narrative was "we don't like nuclear anything, we will get rid of it we can bear the costs". So I don't think you could even call it a strategic mistake, but masochism maybe? Especially while keeping the exit date in the height of the fallout of a real strategic mistake, the dependence on cheap russian gas.

It was a populist move because a big chunk of the electorate is German moms and German grandmas who are absolutely terrified of radiation post Chernobyl.

But that fear is also largely manufactured by the government through publicly funded television/radio.

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

#40

So, basically his own party, CDU was part of the coalition when nuclear exit was decided. The chancellor from his own party, Merkel decided to accelerate exit after Fukushima, while increasing dependency on Russian gas and blocking construction of renewables in CDU/CSU governed states. And now it is the previous government that failed the energy transition. Funnily enough, both this and previous governments declared…

I agree on the problem of the mainstream having trouble to fix the system that feeds their corruption. I just fear that electing proven traitors such as AfD (partially financed by Russia and China, supported by Russian bots, now bootlicking the US admin) and BSW (directly controlled from Moscow) will only make a tough situation worse.
Post reply on HN