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I find it of interest that same kinds of anti state and federal government militia types that were actively storming federal and state capitals and beating on LEOs at that time are now joining ICE in droves and preaching compliance to the boot.
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The over reach and application are owned by one. eg: ICE has no authority wrt traffic stops and the kind of actions taken recently. Door to door ID dragnets are not part of the written laws, etc.
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As a peer comment notes, bad behaviour _under_ a former administration is distinct from bad behaviour fully embraced, endorsed, and backed _by_ the current administration.
As an aside, the "did you see what Obama did" is a poor response; while I'm certainly not a "literal communist" by any stretch I do urge you to watch a very short clip that specifically highlights the silliness of Obama V. Trump responses:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD7Ol0gz11k
If it helps to grasp my stance here, I'm not a US citizen and view all US administrations through the lens of not entirely reliable partners.
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Normally you’d be right but this is not that situation and I’m somewhat shocked you don’t realize it. Just today ICE raided a target. Arrested US citizens at random including minors. Then pushed them from moving trucks onto the highway. You need to understand what is happening. You think complying works? The social contract has been broken.
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50 bad cases also doesn't really summarize it well. Chainsawing through a fence and going through an entire apartment complex and zip typing kids together after violently breaking in really isn't "one" incident. Every single interaction there is potentially bad. Just because people were later released because they weren't illegal or in a gang or whatever does not justify going into people's private space and detaining them in a scary way, especially without warrants. That stuff is going to frighten and traumatize those kids. Home will no longer feel safe. This incitement of fear is in itself a huge part of the point and part of why it's very very bad.
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The over reach and application are owned by one. eg: ICE has no authority wrt traffic stops and the kind of actions taken recently. Door to door ID dragnets are not part of the written laws, etc.
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to counter 2) ICE is not police. There is nothing differentiating them from armed thugs. No bages, no ID's, no faces etc. There is no reason to do ANYTHING these people ask. to counter 3) I would say there's a clear chick and egg here. ICE started behaving in a way that is now being met with an equal and opposite reactionary force. If ICE can stop acting like some SS wannabe force, the vigilantism goes away as well.…
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to counter 2) ICE is not police. There is nothing differentiating them from armed thugs. No bages, no ID's, no faces etc. There is no reason to do ANYTHING these people ask. to counter 3) I would say there's a clear chick and egg here. ICE started behaving in a way that is now being met with an equal and opposite reactionary force. If ICE can stop acting like some SS wannabe force, the vigilantism goes away as well.…
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Cool, how do I identify them? They don't have badges and refuse to give ID. They cover their faces and use excessive force. Should I just immediately give up my rights and do whatever is asked of me from someone in a vest and ski mask with a gun because they claim to be a government agent?
We've seen videos in the past 72 hours showing blatant illegal activity and constitutional violations. You're literally commenting on an article about an ICE agent stealing an underage victim's property. Is this the American Freedom you guys always talk about? "Comply and get in the van with the armed, masked men and maybe you'll make it out alive"?