Yup, I’ve been crowing about these customer noncompetes for years now and it’s clear Anthropic has one of the worst ones. The real kicker is, since Claude Code can do anything, you’re technically not allowed to use it for anything, and everyone just depends on Anthropic not being evil
Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#32Opencode is much better anyway and it doesnt change its workflow every couple weeks.
I signed up to Claude Pro when I figured out I could use it on opencode, so I could start things on Sonnet/Opus on plan mode and switch to cheaper models on build mode. Now that I can't do that, I will probably just cancel my subscription and do the dance between different hosted providers during plan phase and ask for a prompt to feed into opencode afterwards.
As of yesterday OpenAI seems to explicitly allow opencode on their subscription plans.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
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This comes up in every thread but nobody can advance an argument about how this passes the basic conspiracy theory test:
If they’re vacuuming up all the IP that comes in even when the user sets it to off, it must be going into a giant data store somewhere. There must be a large number of engineers and managers involved in all of the processes that get the data from the client to the cloud to the data store, all of whom are bought into this conspiracy. For this to work, all of them must always keep the secret forever and never leak any incriminating evidence anywhere.
Having a damning and easily provable secret hanging over the company would be an easy way for any former employee to leak it to the press and sink the stock price when they go public, making a huge profit by shorting the stock and wiping out gains before the insider lockup expires.
You really have to believe a lot of people, including ex-employees and any disgruntled employees they fired, are so committed to keeping the secret for some reason and that management is so short-sighted that they’re taking a company destroying risk for some marginal, minuscule improvement in their training set.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#34I was all set to be pissed off, "you can't tell me what I can make with your product once you've sold it to me!" but no... This outrage bait hinges on the definition of "use" You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. What you cannot do is reverse engineer the way the Claude Code harness uses the API to build your own version that taps into stuff like the max plan. Which? makes sense?…
not really. Here's their own product clarifying: Based on the terms, Section 3, subsection 2 prohibits using Claude/Anthropic's Services: "To develop any products or services that compete with our Services, including to develop or train any artificial intelligence or machine learning algorithms or models or resell the Services." Clarification: This restriction is specifically about competitive use - you cannot use Cl…
This seems reasonable at first glance, but imagine applying it to other development tools — "You can't use Xcode/Visual Studio/IntelliJ to build a commercial IDE", "You can't use ICC/MSVC to build a commercial C/C++ compiler", etc.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#35Opencode is much better anyway and it doesnt change its workflow every couple weeks.
Yeah, honestly this is a bad move on anthropic's part. I don't think their moat is as big as they think it is. They are competing against opencode + ACP + every other model out there, and there are quite a few good ones (even open weight ones). Opus might be currently the best model out there, and CC might be the best tool out of the commercial alternatives, but once someone switches to open code + multiple model pro…
disagree. it is much better for anthropic to bundle than to become 'just another model provider' to opencode/other routers.
as a consumer, i do absolutely prefer the latter model - but i don't think that is the position I would want to be in if I were anthropic.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#36I find it slightly ironic that Anthropic benefits from ignoring intellectual property but then tries to enforce it on their competitors.
How would they even detect that you used CC on a competitor? There's surely no ethical reason to not do it, it seems unenforceable.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#37Yup, I’ve been crowing about these customer noncompetes for years now and it’s clear Anthropic has one of the worst ones. The real kicker is, since Claude Code can do anything, you’re technically not allowed to use it for anything, and everyone just depends on Anthropic not being evil
Ever get involved in the React-is-Facebook conversation?
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#38Sounds like standard terms from lawyers – not very friendly to customers, very friendly to company – but is it particularly bad here?
I remember when I was part of procuring an analytics tool for a previous employer and they had a similar clause that would essentially have banned us from building any in-house analytics while we were bound by that contract.
We didn't sign.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
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This comes up in every thread but nobody can advance an argument about how this passes the basic conspiracy theory test: If they’re vacuuming up all the IP that comes in even when the user sets it to off, it must be going into a giant data store somewhere. There must be a large number of engineers and managers involved in all of the processes that get the data from the client to the cloud to the data store, all of wh…
They just label under the “good of humanity” cult values. You think they can’t keep a secret at the same order of magnitude of Cambridge analytica in Facebook, for less time?
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#40Sounds like standard terms from lawyers – not very friendly to customers, very friendly to company – but is it particularly bad here? I remember when I was part of procuring an analytics tool for a previous employer and they had a similar clause that would essentially have banned us from building any in-house analytics while we were bound by that contract. We didn't sign.
> Sounds like standard terms from lawyers – not very friendly to customers, very friendly to company – but is it particularly bad here?
Compilers don't come with terms that prevent you from building competing compilers. IDEs don't prevent you from writing competing IDEs. If coding agents are supposed to be how we do software engineering from now on, yeah, it's pretty bad.