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Re: All my new code will be closed-source from now on

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Post by elbci »

diego_moita wrote: post #8
elbci wrote: post #2

Luddite: We need to destroy these mechanical looms that are taking all our jobs leaving us homeless and hungry Marx: Did it occurred to you to destroy the system that make robots doing your job a bad thing?

And both of them failed. Both the machines and "the system" are alive and well. Did it occurred to you that you're using machines (computers, internet, HN) created by the system to complain about the system? The bitter truth is that we don't have any good alternative for both the machines and "the system". For Luddites' and Marxists' chagrin, manual weaving was indeed a crappy job and "the system" brought what they'd…

The marxists got the first man in space while urbanizing (a decimated by WWII) population of serfs without favelas and slums. If that is a "fail", what would you call the 'wonders' brought by the last 30 yrs without them?

Re: All my new code will be closed-source from now on

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Post by sallveburrpi »

ossa-ma wrote: post #13
Ekaros wrote: post #7

Monetizing open source never made sense for me. Mostly because I operate from selfish viewpoint. Why would I pay for something that is provided for free? It is starting to seem like I was right. You have to fund it from selling a product. Or be one of the few that are valuable enough to be paid for running it. But those are exceedingly rare in total population and don't make scalable business model.

Like he said a lot of OSS works on tiered features, most is free, premium at a premium. But the main issue is that doesn't work anymore if LLMs have been trained entirely on the free and can generate the premium with ease.

> generate the premium with ease

I don’t think this will be possible for many open core projects. Often the premium features are the more complex and difficult ones. If you could generate those you don’t need the project at all anymore you can just generate the whole thing. Of course that is the wet dream of VCs and would make programmers completely obsolete but I don’t think it’s realistic (at least not anytime soon)

Re: All my new code will be closed-source from now on

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Post by coldpie »

sallveburrpi wrote: post #29
coldpie wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You have to fund it from selling a product. Well, no. Most people in the world get paid for doing a thing. I pay someone $X and they do Y for me and then I have the Y that I wanted done. This can work for software too. Someone pays me to develop software that does something useful for them, and then they have the thing they wanted. For example if Wine is missing a feature someone can pay me to implement it, and the…

What are some examples of big OSS projects that work with this model? Aka “pay us to get feature X?” It sounds to me that this would invite an insane level of bloat and one-off features.

Igalia, Collabora, Red Hat, GCC, LLVM, Wine, the entire Linux kernel. Tons of open source consulting companies out there working on all kinds of projects.

Re: All my new code will be closed-source from now on

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Post by nothercastle »

moltar wrote: post #3

This is a foreign position to me. I open sourced my code not to make money but because I saw that others can benefit from it. I never made money from open source. If I did my mental model would be that these are charitable donations, not an income stream I can rely on.

The problem is that’s ai is monetizing your code And not giving you anything

Re: All my new code will be closed-source from now on

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Post by vidarh »

diego_moita wrote: post #8
elbci wrote: post #2

Luddite: We need to destroy these mechanical looms that are taking all our jobs leaving us homeless and hungry Marx: Did it occurred to you to destroy the system that make robots doing your job a bad thing?

And both of them failed. Both the machines and "the system" are alive and well. Did it occurred to you that you're using machines (computers, internet, HN) created by the system to complain about the system? The bitter truth is that we don't have any good alternative for both the machines and "the system". For Luddites' and Marxists' chagrin, manual weaving was indeed a crappy job and "the system" brought what they'd…

Whether you think it possible or not, this take misunderstands Marxism at a fundamental level.

For Marxists, automation is a good thing - in fact it is a core precondition of socialism.

Marx spent half the first chapter of the Communist Manifesto fanboying over capitalism for the productivity increases brought by capitalism.

So why do you think it was to the chagrin of Marxists? Marx spent decades cheering on the advancement of industrialisation, and specifically argued (in The German Ideology) that socialism would be impossible without these advances in productive forces.

Re: All my new code will be closed-source from now on

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Post by theboywho »

While the observations might be true, I’m not sure going closed source is going to help here. If optimizing docs for AI makes you less visible, guess what else makes you less visible : not even being accessible.

Just because AI is "taking advantage" of projects being open source doesn’t mean the solution is direct closed source. Going with the most direct solution to a problem is an indication you might not have spent time thinking deeper about the problem

Re: All my new code will be closed-source from now on

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Post by throwaway150 »

I don't mean to trivialize the OP's experience. This is definitely a very important matter and serious issue in the industry. So forgive me for raising a much smaller, side point.

> I've contributed millions of lines of carefully written OSS code over the past decade

I have never tracked my own output, but I would be surprised if I have written even a single million lines of code, let alone several.

Out of curiosity, is this common? Have people here actually written millions of lines of code themselves? Even assuming two million lines over thirty years, that still averages to around 180 lines per day, every day. It is doable but it is a very high level of sustained output.

I am not doubting the OP. Just noting that this represents an extraordinary amount of coding by any measure.

Re: All my new code will be closed-source from now on

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Post by s1mplicissimus »

conartist6 wrote: post #21

I'm writing OSS code with the intent to replace git. I know my position is very different, but to me openness is not a critical vulnerability when facing big companies but my secret weapon. For me the best outcome is taking over all the market currently held by git and GitHub, and the worst outcome would be that Microsoft somehow pulls an embrace-extend-extinguish on us. But my goal, and I think I've been successful…

I agree githubs dominant position is an issue very much worth gnawing at. What's wrong with git though?

Re: All my new code will be closed-source from now on

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Post by wewewedxfgdf »

Tailwind is down because it solved the same problem that AI does - CSS is super complex, write only code and largely not memorable.

AI is perfect for writing CSS because you can tell it your intent and it does it.

There just is not the need for frameworks/libs to make it less complex.

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