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Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by soco »

solid_fuel wrote: post #5

The nature of our current political crisis is changing by the minute, and with every fascist act this administration emboldens the next wave of left wing opposition. The moderate position for future liberal candidates is now the full dissolution of ICE. The more radical position - which is rapidly gaining support - is the arrest and prosecution of everyone involved in this administration. Starting with the president…

But is what you have now "right" wing? Or just oligarchy of no real wing? I'm not sure that ideology has a real role in what they actually do (looking beyond words), unless "I do what I please" is an ideology...

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by captn3m0 »

KittenInABox wrote: post #8

Inquiry, since I know anti immigrant sentiment is on the rise in other countries. How are other countries increasing their enforcement of their immigration laws? Are there also chaotic situations where their immigration enforcers are shooting people in cars? Are there better ways for rising anti-immigrant sentiment to result in stricter enforcement with less violence?

India has been deporting immigrants to Bangladesh/Myanmar and this includes Indian Citizens, because there is no due process being followed and court orders are being regularly ignored.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/07/23/india-hundreds-of-muslim...

> authorities forced another 40 Rohingya refugees into the sea near Myanmar, giving them life jackets and making them swim to shore

> the police raided his home, seized his mobile phone, and tore up his identity documents, which were proof of his (Indian) citizenship. They then flew him in a BSF plane (…) Sheikh said he was forced to cross into Bangladesh with eight others.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by etothet »

tim333 wrote: post #29
tastyface wrote: post #25

What I find even more horrifying than the murder is the response from people in power. Lying. Calling the victim a terrorist. Claiming she deserved it. Expressing unequivocal support for the killer. Threatening more of the same for the opposition. Posting fucking memes! Not even a hint of sympathy anywhere to be seen. These people are animals. They should be in chains in front of a tribunal, not running the country.…

I'm not sure this will play well for them politically. A fair bit of what got Trump elected was saying they'd protect ordinary Americans from immigrant criminals. Now they have footage of a white middle class mum in an suv, pretty much their median voter, being shot dead by their thugs and saying don't believe you eyes and clear video evidence, she tried to run an officer over when she obviously didn't.

You may be correct (and I hope you are), but speaking anecdotely, I have several friends & acquaintances on the right who justify pretty much any actions taken by the admnistration (including this one). Many of the supporters of this administration are religious zealots who see left wing thinking and people as just about the most evil thing out there. To them, the end (fewer “radical” left wing thinkers) justifies the means.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by lostmsu »

tim333 wrote: post #29
tastyface wrote: post #25

What I find even more horrifying than the murder is the response from people in power. Lying. Calling the victim a terrorist. Claiming she deserved it. Expressing unequivocal support for the killer. Threatening more of the same for the opposition. Posting fucking memes! Not even a hint of sympathy anywhere to be seen. These people are animals. They should be in chains in front of a tribunal, not running the country.…

I'm not sure this will play well for them politically. A fair bit of what got Trump elected was saying they'd protect ordinary Americans from immigrant criminals. Now they have footage of a white middle class mum in an suv, pretty much their median voter, being shot dead by their thugs and saying don't believe you eyes and clear video evidence, she tried to run an officer over when she obviously didn't.

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Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

The women he is praising for filming is, according to the current government, committing illegal violence against the ICE agents.

https://reason.com/2026/01/08/you-have-the-right-to-record-i...

> The Trump Administration Says It's Illegal To Record Videos of ICE. Here's What the Law Says.

> Violence is anything that threatens them and their safety, so it is doxing them, it's videotaping them where they're at when they're out on operations," Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said.

So he is right to think she might have been shot for doing this.

edit: note that's a libertarian source. They've always had a strain of civil libertarians on that publication but the comments on the site reveal a lot of libertarians now think it's a good thing that white liberal women are being shot.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by xtracto »

tastyface wrote: post #25

What I find even more horrifying than the murder is the response from people in power. Lying. Calling the victim a terrorist. Claiming she deserved it. Expressing unequivocal support for the killer. Threatening more of the same for the opposition. Posting fucking memes! Not even a hint of sympathy anywhere to be seen. These people are animals. They should be in chains in front of a tribunal, not running the country.…

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command" - 1984

I've found the reaction from most people in the US horrifying since the "grab em by the pussy" days...

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by tim333 »

lostmsu wrote: post #36
tim333 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure this will play well for them politically. A fair bit of what got Trump elected was saying they'd protect ordinary Americans from immigrant criminals. Now they have footage of a white middle class mum in an suv, pretty much their median voter, being shot dead by their thugs and saying don't believe you eyes and clear video evidence, she tried to run an officer over when she obviously didn't.

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I've lost the link to the main one I was thinking of but there are some pictures here https://x.com/GregTSargent/status/2009319825554985218

It's not quite as clear cut as I thought as the car maybe nudged the shooter but the driver had definitely turned the steering away from him and was trying to miss him and get away. Also the car's direction didn't change after the shots were fired and it didn't come close to running over the shooter.

The WaPo article seems quite good https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2026/01/08/vid...

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by square_usual »

captn3m0 wrote: post #32
KittenInABox wrote: post #8

Inquiry, since I know anti immigrant sentiment is on the rise in other countries. How are other countries increasing their enforcement of their immigration laws? Are there also chaotic situations where their immigration enforcers are shooting people in cars? Are there better ways for rising anti-immigrant sentiment to result in stricter enforcement with less violence?

India has been deporting immigrants to Bangladesh/Myanmar and this includes Indian Citizens, because there is no due process being followed and court orders are being regularly ignored. https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/07/23/india-hundreds-of-muslim... > authorities forced another 40 Rohingya refugees into the sea near Myanmar, giving them life jackets and making them swim to shore > the police raided his home, seized h…

I remember threads about this on HN back when the CAA Bill first dropped - you saw much of the same concern trolling back then, as if nobody could see what the real intent behind it was.
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